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To: DonaldDuke
>You have a long list of allegations, all of it unsourced....But I notice that you're saying "perhaps with a broom stick"

> How much is from al Jazeera, how much from al Arabya, how much from Lew Rockwell? And how much from any formal investigation?

This is not what I am saying or any of the other sources you gratuitously mention. Read the green bit in my post again - it's from the official US Army report! Evrything on that list is cut and paste from the report - go to Drudge, MSNBC or any other news site and read it for yourself.

BTW the cold water on a naked body business is not as light as you make it out to be. Apparently they were naked in cold damp cells and hosed down and left to shiver for days. You try that at home and tell if it's torture 3 days from now.

46 posted on 05/05/2004 4:44:40 PM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
it's from the official US Army report

The report mentions "allegations", I believe. Now, which are actually confirmed/proven?

50 posted on 05/05/2004 5:17:39 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: u-89
Read the official Army report for yourself

Thread-jumping, are we?

Anyway, from this report nothing is clear except that

A: Some iraqis have been humiliated, which is probably a very effective way of getting life-and-death critical information. In fact, towards a muslim, it's more effective than torture. God forbid that a muslim should be inconvenienced to the point of ratting on his brethren waiting to blow up an American convoy or something, huh?

B: There are allegations of rape/soldiers having sex with female detainees. Huh? You know (or should know by now) that this is a fake story, from pictures put out by al Jazeera and al Arabya, coming from a porn studio in Budapest. Not directly, though: they were sold by an American porn company, which has now closed down its pages because of what happened. But people on this forum continue to peddle this story as true.

C: All of the soldiers mentioned in the report are suspects, which means that their guilt is yet to be determined.

You really have a problem with facts, don't you?

56 posted on 05/06/2004 6:41:59 AM PDT by DonaldDuke
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