Rockwell’s Progress, last plate.
Posted on 05/05/2004 9:45:53 AM PDT by u-89
It's a test.
Walt
BTW Walt. It is messy over there. Hard things are always messy. But not as messy as the alternative would be in not so many years when the mess is measured in mega RADS in some city near you.
You, on the other hand, prefer the mob. Another MoveOn trait.
Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees
Probably annoying as h*ll. Is it harmful? How harmful? Like, do your skin fall off, is it poisonous to the point of killing you or making you sick?
Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time
Oh yes, I imagine that this would be pretty harmful given Iraqi temperatures.
Pouring cold water on naked detainees
Getting doused with cold water in a desert climate must be pure torture. Terrible.
Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair
Too bad. How much of a beating did the victim take? Bruised? Broken bones?
Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell
Getting medical attention is torture? Just wondering: does the guard (I assume that you know who it was) have some paramedic training? Was it a good stitch-up-job?
Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick
Sodomizing detainees isn't a good thing. There might have to be some payback for this one, if true. But I notice that you're saying "perhaps with a broom stick". Do you have all the details on this?
Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet
My heart bleeds profusely. Jumping on people's feet is just beyond the pale. Do you know if anyone suffered physical damage from this, and where can I find a verification of this incident?
Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees
Hmmm... there does seem to have been some pics of naked people floating around. Can you point out which ones are non-faked, and who took them?
Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing
You mean, photographing people in silly and humiliating positions, thereby offending muslim religion and libertarian sensibilities?
Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear
I hate to break this to you, but detainees wearing women's underwear are hardly "naked". Who knows, it might even be a preference for certain editors close to your editor :).
Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped
More humiliating stuff. I suppose this should be cracked down on, if true. I presume that you know if it is true, and who the perp is. Share, please.
Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them
So were any Iraqis hurt or harmed in this stunt? How badly?
Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture
Seen this one, but can't really say anything but obviously a pose. Standing around in silly positions stuff. However, I don't think this person was naked - was wearing some kind of poncho or something, I think. Simulated torture????
A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee
Ah. I do think you must have gotten one of the fakes, from www.sexinwar.com in Budapest. My sympathies, and better luck on your next surf. Or.... do you have some substantiation for that one?
Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee
Working dogs? Not rabid or anything, I hope? Actually, I tend to believe anyone injured around a working dog probably did something stupid. Most bites are the fault of the bitten one. Disappointing as that may be, it's true. So, verifications. Names, who did what to who, where are the (verified) pictures and general evidence? How much is from al Jazeera, how much from al Arabya, how much from Lew Rockwell? And how much from any formal investigation?
> How much is from al Jazeera, how much from al Arabya, how much from Lew Rockwell? And how much from any formal investigation?
This is not what I am saying or any of the other sources you gratuitously mention. Read the green bit in my post again - it's from the official US Army report! Evrything on that list is cut and paste from the report - go to Drudge, MSNBC or any other news site and read it for yourself.
BTW the cold water on a naked body business is not as light as you make it out to be. Apparently they were naked in cold damp cells and hosed down and left to shiver for days. You try that at home and tell if it's torture 3 days from now.
LOL
Maybe it's because people who know he's got a screw loose don't bother reading his stuff.
The report mentions "allegations", I believe. Now, which are actually confirmed/proven?
Rockwell’s Progress, last plate.
We should threaten to translate Lew Rockwell articles into Arabic and carpet-bomb Iraq with them, if they don't shape up.
They'll play ball...
Sure, just as soon as his ashes have cooled!
(Lew Rockwell, you are a blithering idiot that is giving aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war. Sit down and STFU.)
--Boot Hill
Take care brother.
In May of 1864, we had a great leader.
In May of 2004, we don't.
Take care brother.
And to you.
Walt
Thread-jumping, are we?
Anyway, from this report nothing is clear except that
A: Some iraqis have been humiliated, which is probably a very effective way of getting life-and-death critical information. In fact, towards a muslim, it's more effective than torture. God forbid that a muslim should be inconvenienced to the point of ratting on his brethren waiting to blow up an American convoy or something, huh?
B: There are allegations of rape/soldiers having sex with female detainees. Huh? You know (or should know by now) that this is a fake story, from pictures put out by al Jazeera and al Arabya, coming from a porn studio in Budapest. Not directly, though: they were sold by an American porn company, which has now closed down its pages because of what happened. But people on this forum continue to peddle this story as true.
C: All of the soldiers mentioned in the report are suspects, which means that their guilt is yet to be determined.
You really have a problem with facts, don't you?
This is one of the few points I disagree with Lew on. I think there needs to be some presence of US forces to fix what we broke, if you will, but I would agree it needs to be done ASAP, as in yesterday. Then get the troops home and safe. Quit rooting around in the desert looking for invisible WMDs and quit trying to implement a form of government that won't last more than a decade or so.
Not many people at the time thought so. The Democrats hated him even more than they hate Bush today and the Republicans were convinced he would never win the election in November and tried to dump him.
Abe had very few friends in May of 64.
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