[Pukin Dog]

When you first asked me about this, I was not aware that Kerry claims to have 'taken off'. If that is the case, than he is clearly lying. If he was handed the controls after the pilot reached a safe altitude, then he could be telling the truth. Combat aircraft are just not very difficult to fly.

[Mo1]

When you first asked me about this, I was not aware that Kerry claims to have 'taken off'

I think what I asked you about was the loop he claimed to do at the Golden Gate Bridge in the 60's

This is a different story