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HISPANIC PANIC: Samuel P. Huntington and the return of the Know-Nothings.
New York Press ^ | 5/4/04 | John Dolan

Posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:02 PM PDT by Clemenza

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Tawk amongst yourselves...
1 posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:03 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Cacique; rmlew; JustAnAmerican; sarcasm; Joe Hadenuf
Ping!
2 posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:34 PM PDT by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: Clemenza
Anyone know what his username is?
3 posted on 05/04/2004 4:35:08 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (x = x + 1)
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To: Clemenza
I'll see your ping and bump.

the writer has so much bitterness about america,

I hope he continues to live someplace else.

"...I'VE BEEN LIVING outside the U.S. for a few years, ..."
4 posted on 05/04/2004 4:36:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Clemenza
SAMUEL P. HUNTINGTON is a bigot,...

The author is going to have to do better than that.

5 posted on 05/04/2004 4:38:02 PM PDT by untenured
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To: tet68
the writer has so much bitterness about america

Nah. He's just bitter that the only writing gig he can get is for a weekly rag that supports itself via ads from prostitutes.

6 posted on 05/04/2004 4:39:46 PM PDT by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: Clemenza
LOL!!!
7 posted on 05/04/2004 4:43:26 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Clemenza
Huntington is talking about culture, and specifically disclaims any racist intent. The issue is the cultural assimilation of immigrants, not their race.
8 posted on 05/04/2004 4:45:14 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Clemenza
Assuming the characterization of Huntington is accurate, he's a "reconstructionist", one of the followers of the late unlamented Rushdoony.

It's worth noting that his claims differ only in degree from those of the Islamophobes that claim that Muslims by their very existence pose some threat to America.

-Eric

9 posted on 05/04/2004 4:46:26 PM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Clemenza
In the new America, united in this civil religion, atheism will not be tolerated at all. Failure to believe forthrightly in God is simply un-American (which will be sad news for Ben Franklin)

Benjamin Franklin the atheist at the Constitutional Convention:

"In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.—Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service."

The idiot lost me here. Maybe he was thinking of T. Jefferson, who wasn't an atheist either?

10 posted on 05/04/2004 4:52:24 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Clemenza
Huntington prescribes a "civil"—that is, public and compulsory—American religion.

He does no such a thing.

Typically the writer declines to engage Huntington's actual positions and observations.

What point of "majority rules" does the writer not understand?

This is his thrust. Bring a bunch of folks who don't know Andy Griffith, or Leave It to Beaver, let alone George Washington and Robert E. Lee...voting?

Will be messy, at the least.

11 posted on 05/04/2004 4:52:39 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Clemenza
The so called Western civilization is full of racial hatred and war, why would anyone want to worship or emulate it?

Let's stick with the American civilization and heritage.
12 posted on 05/04/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: Clemenza
Nativism, in its 19th-century surge, was very much the darling cause of the New England elites.

Ummm, Huntington is from Astoria - New England elite???

13 posted on 05/04/2004 4:56:54 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Restorer
"In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.—Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service."

This speech was made at the end of a session that featured strong and acrimonious debate. Historians believe that Franklin made it in order to calm the delegates before they left for the day. It was not seconded, and was not adopted.

Note the strongly Deist tone. Franklin was no atheist, but was not a believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ either.

-Eric

14 posted on 05/04/2004 4:57:38 PM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: E Rocc
Agreed. However, the author of this piece claims that B. Franklin would be unwelcome in Huntington's America, a breathtaking bit of hyperbolic BS.

As you say, Franklin, in common with a good many of the other Founders, was not an orthodox Christian. However, he was very far from being an atheist.
15 posted on 05/04/2004 5:01:22 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Clemenza
I like the accompanying artwork:


16 posted on 05/04/2004 5:23:26 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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bigot, nativist hatred, America has lost its mind, his sleazy new book, violently hates Mexicans, fear and hatred, hatemongering, race-baiting, dark hints, ignorant, dishonest, manipulative race-baiting, cranky hatreds, mean-hearted

My spluttermeter topped out 6.8 far below the better 20th century rants from the left. Tsk. tsk. This NY Press employee calls himself a writer?!

How many times are "writers" going to take turns typing in the same boring, inane spins and wornout invective?

The incident in Los Angeles was just "drunken fans cheerfully batter[ing]" opponents -- in this case the opponents were American citizens, no big deal. Had the battered Americans, after the game, asked then "the same crowd . . .would [have joined] hands to sing patriotic American songs in perfect ethnic, if not tonal, harmony." It's the Americans' fault.

The usual "haul out the Irish immigrants" if you think today's immigrants are bad.

The obligatory hate Bush rant, "the president a canting, sanctimonious fool." A two-fer, includes hatred of religion also.

The obligatory hate-America rant, "It's us and our equally devout Muslim counterparts who'll be having all the fun, burning things and yelling about God." We are no better than OBL. Ho hum.

The employee confirms the secularists war against the rest of us. "Bring it on!" he says. Frankly, I cannot wait but I am not going out looking for it. Your move, Dolan.

One serious comment in the whole string of characters. To wit,

As study after study of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. has shown, Hispanics tend to be fiercely patriotic Americans.

As a group they've won more Medals of Honor than any other group, I believe. The difference is they brought their hearts here along with their stomachs.

17 posted on 05/04/2004 5:29:02 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: E Rocc
The characterization of Huntington by this demagogue is most certainly not correct.

This is one reason why its so hard to have a reasonable debate about immigration, and why the mainstream majority view of Americans (i.e. reduce legal immigration and stop illegal imm)is w/o political represenation from the leadership of either party. If one dares question the dogma that unending mass immigration is an unqualified boon then he will be subject to bogus charges of racism, bigotry, and xenophobia.

To say that Huntington 'violently hates' Mexicans is absurd. It proves that the guy is either a complete moron incapable of complex thought, or he is simply a demagogue who won't hesitate to slander someone who goes against the pc orthodoxy, or both.

And as with all supporters of mass immigration who likes to point to past successes in assimilating and absorbing mass waves of immigrants as proof that we shouldn't worry about today's wave, he forgets the past wave was ended by Congressional action that resulted in over 40 yrs of moderate immigration into the United States.
18 posted on 05/04/2004 5:29:56 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Clemenza
BTTT
19 posted on 05/04/2004 5:57:58 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Clemenza
What is surprising is that now, a century and a half after the Know-Nothings vanished in disgrace they reappeared on FreeRepublic.com.

Unfair? Yes. But there's certainly an anti-Hispanic 'element' on FR that only sees them as dirty stupid lazy sub-humans who should be prevented from polluting the US with their presence.

If that doesn't apply to you, don't be offended, it's not meant for you! Comments and insults welcome.

20 posted on 05/04/2004 6:04:17 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (It's a nice day for a white wedding)
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