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U.S. in Falluja Turns to General Who Defied Saddam
Yahoo News ^ | 5/03/04 | Michael Georgy, Reuters

Posted on 05/03/2004 3:14:00 AM PDT by kattracks

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - The U.S. Marines besieging Falluja brought in a former Iraqi general with a history of standing up to Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) on Monday to lead a force they have charged with putting down an insurgency in the city.

After outrage among victims of the Baathist regime at their appointment of a former general in his feared Republican Guard, U.S. commanders have now brought in another ex-general, Mohammed Latif, to take overall command of the Falluja Brigade.

As U.S. commanders struggle to stamp out open rebellion in two cities and bombings that kill their soldiers daily, United Nations (news - web sites) Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said he expected the Security Council to authorize a multinational force to take over after Washington hands formal sovereignty to Iraqis on June 30.

Subject to further checks into his background, Latif would lead the Falluja Brigade while General Jasim Mohamed Saleh may continue to lead its 1st Battalion, a senior U.S. military official said. Saleh's uniformed men have been patrolling the streets of the violent Sunni Muslim city since Friday.

Unlike Saleh, who leaders of Iraq (news - web sites)'s Shi'ite Muslim majority accuse of taking part in the Republican Guard's bloody suppression of a Shi'ite uprising in 1991, Latif appears to have anti-Saddam credentials, U.S. military sources said.

An intelligence officer, he was exiled under Saddam and may also have spent time in prison, one said. The senior military official said Latif had been trained for a time in England.

The appointment may help counter what has been the latest setback to U.S. efforts to win the approval of Iraqis before the handover of power. While the Sunni Muslim minority that was once loyal to Saddam may have been pleased by events in Falluja, Saleh's appointment provoked anger among Shi'ites and others.

PRISON OFFICIALS DISCIPLINED

Washington has also been trying to counter damage done by the broadcast of photographs showing U.S. soldiers abusing prisoners at Saddam's once notorious Abu Ghraib prison. Seven officers and non-commissioned officers were disciplined over the affair, the senior military official said on Monday.

Six soldiers are also detained, facing criminal charges.

The Marine commander at Falluja said he accepted an offer from Saleh to raise the new force as an 11th-hour alternative to launching an all-out assault on the city of 300,000, where hundreds had already died during a month of fighting.

Senior U.S. officials in Baghdad and Washington distanced themselves from Saleh, however. Marine officers also conceded that some of Saleh's several hundred men may be drawn from the very guerrillas who had been fighting them throughout April.

The sight of masked gunmen openly celebrating "victory over the Americans" in the streets of Falluja as Saleh's force turned a blind eye and Marines pulled back from some siege positions also may have rankled with the Pentagon (news - web sites).

The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Richard Myers, mounted a media offensive on U.S. television on Sunday, blasting what he called misleading reporting from the town.

"The Marines have not withdrawn from Falluja," he said, repeating the assertions of Marine commanders on the ground.

They have pulled troops back from many positions but say they remain ready to storm guerrilla positions at any time.

The Marines have given the Iraqi troops some days to achieve what the U.S. forces were unable to do last month: force the 2,000 or so insurgents to hand over heavy weapons, capture or kill some 200 foreign Islamic militants and find the killers of four American contractors whose deaths prompted the siege.

 

However, Saleh said there were no foreign fighters there. U.S. officials initially challenged that view. But the senior official said on Monday that Saleh may indeed have a point.

"Some probably have been killed, some probably have gotten out of the city. It may be more than some," he told reporters.

A senior general said last week that the contractors' killers had also probably fled Falluja, leaving the main target of the new force the elimination of remaining insurgents.

After April became the bloodiest month for U.S. troops in Iraq with 129 combat deaths, the U.N. appeared to offer help.

Annan said a resolution being considered by Washington could authorize a multinational force after June 30: "It's in everybody's interest to do whatever we can to stabilize Iraq."

Heavy losses and the difficulties in places like Falluja have not helped Bush's re-election campaign. But the American public got some good news on Sunday when a civilian truck driver, taken hostage after a convoy attack in Iraq, escaped.

Thomas Hamill was flying to a U.S. military hospital in Germany on Monday and would soon be reunited with his family.




TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujabrigade; fallujah; iraq; iraqiofficers; latif; mohammedlatif

1 posted on 05/03/2004 3:14:00 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The Southern Iraqie Shites have declared the U.S. an "enemy of Islam". They hate us so much that they've even (reportedly) linked up with the Sunni Baath Rebels and Osama terrorists.

The Shites "perseverence" in hate has been rewarded. They will now answer to a Sunni General (i.e. once Falluja is pacified, Iraq's ONLY proven, effective Army will be Sunni led.

Hope they're all REAL happy now down south. Instead of U.S. leadership, and Iraqi democracy, they now return to Sunni leadership, and a more tenuous democracy.

SFS

2 posted on 05/03/2004 3:42:36 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone (SFS)
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To: kattracks
As U.S. commanders struggle to stamp out open rebellion in two cities and bombings that kill their soldiers daily, United Nations (news - web sites) Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said he expected the Security Council to authorize a multinational force to take over after Washington hands formal sovereignty to Iraqis on June 30.
3 posted on 05/03/2004 3:43:56 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: kattracks
I could almost believe this except for the fact that during the last few years, I've been told that anyone who "stood up to Sadam" was now six feet under.
4 posted on 05/03/2004 3:50:29 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: kattracks
I think the rocade with former Saddam generals is just a time gaining strategy. The US should bring in the Abrams tanks from Germany. The RPGs, it turns out, are quite effective against the Humvees, besides that, they are also portable and easily concealed. To attack a tank of the Abrams kind, one needs a more serious weapon like the SPG-9, or at least a 100 mm antitank cannon, not to mention the PTURS - from the former Soviet arsenal.
It seems to me the marines are not equipped well for Fallujah, which is why we see the newly-formed Iraqi army going in and out of the city for some time. I am no military expert, but it seems to me that if you want the problem resolved militarily, you must bring in the tanks!
As an example, Israel fights the same kind of guerrilla force, armed with similar weapons, and is successful with far less casualties.
5 posted on 05/03/2004 3:51:37 AM PDT by AIBC (Bring in the tanks!)
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To: kattracks
I've said it before but I'll say it again:

If this Iraqi general is actually pro-American he will be assassinated and drug through the streets by "his own" men within days. And we will be facing bullets from "our own" Iraqi force.
6 posted on 05/03/2004 3:56:59 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: kattracks; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

FALLUJA, Iraq  - The U.S. Marines besieging Falluja brought in a former Iraqi general with a history of standing up to Saddam Hussein on Monday to lead a force they have charged with putting down an insurgency in the city.

After outrage among victims of the Baathist regime at their appointment of a former general in his feared Republican Guard,* U.S. commanders have now brought in another ex-general, Mohammed Latif, to take overall command of the Falluja Brigade.

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Many in Saddam's military - including the Republican Guard - served because their family members were threatened, tortured or killed because they disagreed with Saddam.

Reuters seldom interviews Saddam's victims.

They often interview anti-American allies of Saddam Hussein.

Stand by for verification, or debunking....

Adults in charge, flexible plan - because it is the real world and not a socialist utopian fantasyland - ping!

7 posted on 05/03/2004 4:59:32 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
After a month of being pounded by AC130s,helicopter gunships,tanks and marines I'm thinking there can't be much resistance left.This may be a propaganda ploy to make the new iraqi military look more effective than they really are.
8 posted on 05/03/2004 5:11:35 AM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this hand-basket?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Retired senior officers who are well-versed in such matters of war and repatriation and who are free to speak are saying it has been an historical blunder to not have immediately turned the Iraqi Army around as a police keeping force right after their defeat.

Guess whose feet they lay this blunder at? - Colin Powell for advising the president not to do this.

9 posted on 05/03/2004 5:19:17 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: edchambers
After a month of being pounded by AC130s,helicopter gunships,tanks and marines I'm thinking there can't be much resistance left.

And Bill Clinton's cruise missile attack took out all the WMD in 1998.
You are kidding yourself. There was no falloff in Iraqi sniping before the pullback.
10 posted on 05/03/2004 5:25:46 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: Happy2BMe
Tricky working among people who have been so oppressed and are still being tormented, not only by their neighborhood thugs who murder Coalition supporters, but by the international press - that pushes the UN on them daily, and quotes their enemies, while ignoring their views.

Of course, with Al Gore - or John Kerry in charge, we could have ignored the whole uncomfortable mess, left the mass graves in silence, and continued to ignore the growing threat to our nation and the free world - as well as the cries from the daily victims.

Life's so much simpler for us in our comfy homes that way.

Clarification, from an AP recap this morn:

Latif participated in meetings with Marines last week on the creation of the Fallujah Brigade, the top Marine commander, Lt. Gen. James Conway, said over the weekend. Conway said he believed that Latif had been exiled by Saddam's regime for several years.

"He is very well thought of, very well respected by the Iraqi general officers. You can just see the body language between them. And if I had to guess at this point, when we have this brigade fully formed, he demonstrates a level of leadership that tells me that he could become that brigade commander," Conway said.

The U.S. official, speaking Monday, said the decision to make Latif in charge emerged as it became clearer that he was more influential. "Gen. Saleh as I understand it will be working at the battalion level, not the brigade level," he said.

U.S. officials have shown confusion over the identities of the generals in the Fallujah force. One U.S. officer said Saleh had been involved in an assassination plot against Saddam and that three of his children had been executed - apparently mistaking him for Mohammed al-Shehwani, a former Air Force officer who in April was named as head of the Iraqi National Intelligence Service and whose three sons were killed by Saddam.    ~  More 


11 posted on 05/03/2004 5:27:35 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Tricky working among people who have been so oppressed and are still being tormented

Tricky when they're all named Mohammed....
Maj. Gen. Mohammed Latif
Mohammed al-Shehwani
General Jasim Mohamed Saleh

(Why Saleh's is spelled with the single "m" when they're all transliterated from Arabic symbols, who knows?)
12 posted on 05/03/2004 5:43:09 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: AIBC
The Mujahideen used the RPG-7 to great effect against reactive armor equiped Soviet MBTs.

http://www.teamhouse.tni.net/Info/RPG/rpg_tactics.htm
13 posted on 05/03/2004 6:02:58 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: edchambers
Why would the Marines then leave? Perhaps it is the AC130s, et al that are made to look more effective than they really are?
14 posted on 05/03/2004 6:12:07 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: AIBC
The problem is that the Abrams are heavy and expensive to maintain and they are sluggish in town. and they could be trapped in narrow streets...
It also needs a lot of fuel and the supply routes are not very safe... Imagine to replace the Humvees with Abrams...
The costs, the supply,the mobility and the different skillsets to operate them...

Might as well use a MOAB... But that would further isolate the US on the international field

Do not forget that Israel deploys its tanks from next door and the Palestins are very purly equipeed against them.

I think the problem needs more attention on the political side.

The problem is with the superior firepower.
The soldiers are itching to use it before really exhousting other means.
It needs to proove to the Iraqis that the US is capable to do other things than leveling buildings from the sky...

Back to the Israel example:
They are able to fight the Palestinians and more less keep them in bay only because the huge help from the US. (Even so after 30 years the problems are not solved...)
But the US has nobody else to rely on for financial or military aid if the Iraq war getting longer.

I think that the strategy need some rethink.






15 posted on 05/03/2004 8:16:20 AM PDT by kiskutya
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

16 posted on 05/03/2004 8:29:31 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
17 posted on 05/03/2004 8:45:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Happy2BMe
You might find this of interest if you haven't yet read it:

Rumsfeld's War, Powell's Occupation

18 posted on 05/03/2004 9:15:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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