[SeeRushToldU_So]

I knew someone would point to a trick, I have been using the manufacture of the hard drives utilities to low level format hard drives formatted NTFS partions.

[Paladin2]

There are utilities on the 'net that allow one to do saving and replacement of disk MBRs or disk editors that allow one to directly inspect and edit disk MBRs.

Look for "Power Quest utilities 'head.zip'" and "hard disk editors - free".

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I was about to resort to that one time when trying to root out NT 4.0 that I had no login or password for. I decided first to go to my favorite PC help forum (www.computing.net) and search on "deleting logical partitions" and lo and behold, someone recommended delpart.exe. I downloaded it and it worked like a charm. I've used it many times since and it just tickles me to death how easy the whole process of renovating a hard drive is now.