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To: justshutupandtakeit
Of course I am familiar with Malthus, who is perhaps the most notoriously wrong theorist in the history of economics, perhaps of science. You apparently aren't familiar with how idiotic his analysis is, given all we know today.

You also don't seem to notice the contradiction between maintaining on the one hand that an increase in wealth reduces population and that subsidies to mothers increases population. Surely a women with more income has more choices than one with less. If more choices is supposed to by itself lead to fewer children then handing out checks on the street corner would reduce population. It doesn't.

Because the fact of the matter is, the relation between wealth and population is entirely contingent and not at all necessary. It is a matter of the free choices lots of people make. Historically, rising wealth went hand in hand with exploding population - for a while. Then with decline population growth, and now finally with overall demographic decline (which is just begining and so far nobody knows how large it will become before reversing).

Of course extra choices for emancipated women go hand in hand with increased societal wealth. First because the wealth funds the labor saving devices that reduced domestic work to a minor afterthought, and second going the other way because women added to the labor force increase societal wealth.

As for whether people are too stupid to use birth control properly, it would appear the middle class and wealthy are stupid enough to over-use it to the point of demographic suicide. So who is stupid? Is it stupid to have a large family and thus less wealth per capita? Or to have none, and leave a demographic wasteland for foreigners to inherit after all one's own offspring have disappeared from the face of the earth?

Again, this is exactly my point. There is an assumption being made that what the rich are doing with their reproductive freedom is sensible and the poor are stupid not to do the same things. When in fact what the rich are doing with their reproductive freedom is stark raving mad and unsustainable, headed right off a cliff, and forcing the poor to do it too would hardly help matters.

230 posted on 05/03/2004 3:45:31 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Pointing out that marriage formation was always a function of personal wealth while population growth is often inversely related was not an endorsement of Malthus. In your view even one so wrongheaded as Malthus understood that.

You seem to have the view that all population increase is good. A system which subsidizes the production of vicious bastards is definitely NOT good. The havoc caused by the female breeder society is rampant throughout our society because of the failure to admit that disfunctional, erzatz families fill our prisons, destroy our schools, and are essentially a drag upon the rest of society in multiferous ways. This is one of the greatest disasters human engineering has ever produced.

Prior to the sixties 80%+ of black children were born into two parent families now it is 20%. This is a problem which will condemn them to deficits in every field. If you believe the rapid increase in such offspring will be productive in the long run I would suggest I lead you on a tour of some of the parts of Chicago inhabited by this group. If the extra hands are holding knives and guns pointed at you maybe you would not have such an enthusiasm for policies that produced them.

Any national policies to increase population should be directed to actual family formation with father and mother.
Any other is ultimately destructive to social wellbeing.
232 posted on 05/04/2004 7:05:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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