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To: dpwiener
Around here we've had the electronic devices over 20 years. No recount has ever been required. Besides, no system has an "auditable paper trail"; otherwise it would be possible to find out how each and every individual voted!

Stick with the picture ~ the Dems finally figured out the electronic systems defeat vote fraud. Since they ordinarily engage in widespread vote fraud to win elections, that means the electronic systems will cause Democrats to lose.

It's really not surprising to see this Democratic official in California attempting to defeat the Republicans by having traditional but fraud prone voting systems put back in place.

8 posted on 04/30/2004 5:41:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Around here we've had the electronic devices over 20 years. No recount has ever been required. Besides, no system has an "auditable paper trail"; otherwise it would be possible to find out how each and every individual voted!

The simplest solution is to have the electronic device print out a copy of the voter's balloting. The voter can look it over to see if it's correct, then deposit it in a sealed box (the same way punch cards are currently deposited). If no one challenges the electronic vote totals, the paper backups are ignored. But if there is any doubt about the integrity of the electronic numbers, the paper is available to be recounted.

This does not reveal a voter's identity. What it does do is make fraud much less likely to even be attempted, since the paper backups would have to be altered to match the electronic results.

I'm an electronic engineer, and I have absolutely no confidence in the security of purely electronic voting systems. There are all kinds of ways they can fail or be compromised, and there is no way to recover in the absence of a paper backup.

I've also personally been involved in very close elections and one recount (our candidate won a Park District race by 3 votes out of 95 thousand cast), so I know how crucial it is to be able to verify the results.

Don't kid yourself, both the Republicans and Democrats have been guilty of election fraud at different times and places. We must not presume that either party is inherently trustworthy.

If you want more sophisticated schemes for secure voting, while maintaining anonymity, those are also available. See David Chaum's white paper on Secret-Ballot Receipts and Transparent Integrity.

9 posted on 04/30/2004 6:18:00 PM PDT by dpwiener
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