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So the question is if:
>>>>>1) we care more about the freedom of the Iraqi people than they do (something we could only have known in hindsight), and

That's an interesting assertion, backed by dubious data. In The American Revolution, significant numbers of American Colonists took up arms on behalf of the British Army and were organized into armed formations that were large enough to be logistically self-sufficient. Based on the premise you offer here, Jefferson, Franklin and Washington all three should have hung up their spikes, hired a good barrister and cut a good plea bargain.

>>>>>2)we are not willing to wage total war until all opposition is removed,

The student body of Oxford University demonstrated against British fighting against Hitler. Clearly the best and brightest of their day, these people had no clue why Churchill cared about a bunch of stupid Poles and went after the Germans. Clearly, the upper crust of Britain's intellectual elite wasn't in it to win it. Churchill obviously would ceded Europe to Fascism if he acted in accordance with your premises.

>>>>than how can we possibly win there?

By continuing to bring accurate direct fire on the enemy. The same way most people win most wars.

I've checked my premises and with all due respect, I prefer them to yours. Have a wonderful day.

It took fifty responses to get one which actually read what I wrote and can respond intelligently.

Love reading your stuff by the way.

That's an interesting assertion, backed by dubious data. In The American Revolution, significant numbers of American Colonists took up arms on behalf of the British Army and were organized into armed formations that were large enough to be logistically self-sufficient. Based on the premise you offer here, Jefferson, Franklin and Washington all three should have hung up their spikes, hired a good barrister and cut a good plea bargain.

The data to support my assertion that we care more about the Iraqi's freedom than they do is that I don't see them fighting and dying in droves to win it. I hear stories of them running from the fight. I don't see responsible Iraqi leadership developing. Regarding your analogy to the our revolution: Well I guess the difference between the Founding Fathers in America, and us in Iraq is that it was THEIR country. I don't want to die protecting some jag-off who doesn't have enough self respect to protect himself.

Regarding question 2, you didn't seem to address my actual question. What I am referring to is the politically correct way we are fighting. This is not the way Sherman fought, or the way we fought in WWII. We attacked their civilians centers. On principle I am against fighting this way, but certain wars seem to require it. I think this is one of them.