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We Didn't Dare Wait (william Raspberry)
Washington Post ^ | April 19, 2004 | William Rasberry

Posted on 04/28/2004 7:06:05 PM PDT by anncoulteriscool

We Didn't Dare Wait

By William Raspberry

Monday, April 19, 2004; Page A19

What follows is the speech the president didn't make at his news conference last week. He can use it now, with no further permission from me.

Before I take your questions, I would like to speak plainly for a moment to the American people.

We're having some tough times in Iraq, and many Americans are wondering how we came to be in such a tough spot. Some are asking: Isn't it time to just get out?

These are tough questions, but the people deserve some answers. From your president's point of view, the answers start with Sept. 11. That was the day the world changed. That was the day America changed. And that was the day, my fellow Americans, when your president changed. Up to that nightmarish day, the policy of the United States was to remain strong in the face of a foreign threat but to strike only if that threat became action. It was a policy that guided our nation for most of its history. Don't start anything with anybody, but crush anybody who starts anything with us. We were like the sheriff of the old Western movies, poised and ready, but waiting for the other guy to draw first.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; pressconference; rasberry; raspberry; waronterror
I had not read this guy in awhile....sometimes he gets it right.
1 posted on 04/28/2004 7:06:05 PM PDT by anncoulteriscool
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To: anncoulteriscool
I had not read this guy in awhile....sometimes he gets it right.

Even when he doesn't get it right, I can still respect him, unlike so many other Axis of Drivel "journalists"

2 posted on 04/28/2004 7:08:15 PM PDT by bcoffey (Sen. Kerry: I'm not questioning your service; I'm questioning your sanity!)
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To: anncoulteriscool
Accordingly, we must move as quickly as possible to turn over to the international community both the "keys" to Iraq and the decision of who to hand them to in due course.

You agree with that?!!

3 posted on 04/28/2004 7:11:58 PM PDT by Wissa
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To: anncoulteriscool
"What follows is the speech the president didn't make at his news conference last week. He can use it now, with no further permission from me. What follows is the speech the president didn't make at his news conference last week. He can use it now, with no further permission from me."
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Mr. Raspberry, I have a hint for you. The reason you did not hear the president give this speech is that it is not yet time for such a speech. This is an election year. The correct time to give such a speech is in September or October, if it is needed then.
4 posted on 04/28/2004 7:22:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Wissa
You agree with that?!!

I do. We need to get our fingerprints off the political rule of Iraq. We own Iraq as long as our troops are there. We need to get Iraqis running it.

5 posted on 04/28/2004 7:25:06 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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I don't see how it would be a great improvement to say we're washing our hands of the mess and turn it over to the French, Russians, Iranians, and Syrians and let THEM have the final say in the future of Iraq.
6 posted on 04/28/2004 7:32:02 PM PDT by Wissa
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To: Wissa
No.
7 posted on 04/28/2004 7:32:46 PM PDT by anncoulteriscool
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To: Wissa
I don't see how it would be a great improvement to say we're washing our hands of the mess and turn it over to the French, Russians, Iranians, and Syrians and let THEM have the final say in the future of Iraq.

Well, that's a fine choice of countries and a complete mischaracterization of what I wrote.

But for the slow, WE OWN IRAQ as long as our military is there. What we need to turn over is the political governance.

For example, notice that while we are de-Baathifying Falluja, we are re-Baathifying the Iraqi civil and military infrastructure.

The transition from Bremmer to the caretaker Pres/2 VPs/Prime Minister needs to have international recognition and Negroponte an ambassador. If Negroponte is seen as Garder/Bremmer reincarnated - no change - Iraq will be a dependant and we are in a quagmire.

8 posted on 04/28/2004 7:53:49 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
The original statement that you said you agreed with was:

"Accordingly, we must move as quickly as possible to turn over to the international community both the "keys" to Iraq and the decision of who to hand them to in due course."

Looks to me like it's saying that the "international community" should decide who and what the Iraqi government should be.

But I guess I'm just slow.

9 posted on 04/28/2004 8:06:01 PM PDT by Wissa
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To: optimistically_conservative
We need to get Iraqis running it.

That's all great and wonderful but I don't see the Iraqis stepping up to the plate. I see a few looking in the general direction of the plate but none actually standing up and taking responsibility. I also see far too many cutting and running and hiding behind terrorists and twiddling their thumbs as said terrorists destroy their country.

10 posted on 04/28/2004 8:16:50 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: anncoulteriscool
"gets it right"

You think handing over Iraq to the "international community" is the right thing to do? It was the "international community" who was bilking billions of dollars from Iraq .. why on earth would anyone with brains turn Iraq over to them.

Some of what he said is good, but turning over Iraq to the IC is not one of them.
11 posted on 04/28/2004 9:50:21 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Wissa
Looks to me like it's saying that the "international community" should decide who and what the Iraqi government should be.

In the end it doesn't matter what the "international community" or we decide who and what the Iraqi government should be. We can't control the governance of 25 million Iraqis. We can only control the power grabs of small groups - by killing them.

Killing violent Islamists and the pan-Arab extremists that sow the seeds of suicidal/homocidal whack jobs is why we're there.

If the international community decides there should be a President with 2 VPs and a Prime Minister, 1000 dancing girls and a partridge in a pear tree it doesn't mean a hill of beans in the war on terror as long as the result is a launching pad for striking at, and a killing ground for AQ and it's ilk.

We could put Attaturk incarnate in charge for all I care. Put the Deaniacs in charge. Put Chirac in charge. We don't like the outcome, we start over. That's what owning Iraq means.

And yes, you are slow.

12 posted on 04/28/2004 9:55:52 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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I guess if one takes a tactical, short term view, you make some limited sence, to liberals.LOL!
It does not take "genious" to comprehend that the problems in the troubled Islamic regions are the result of anarchists run amuck.
Now I couldn't possibly care less, if the results of the actions of said anarchists were contained solely in that region.
But they were not, and here we are.
Reality sucks, sometimes.
I prefer to deal with it now, instead of bequeathing the problem to my child and her peers.
The announced projected war timescale is +/- six more years.
Pace yourself.

13 posted on 04/28/2004 10:19:31 PM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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To: sarasmom
The announced projected war timescale is +/- six more years.
Pace yourself

I think that's the right view, but the timescale for Iraq is generations.

South Korea was an effective military dictatorship for 30 years (into the 80s). They have had a handful of elections at this point.

Attaturk turned Turkey away from the Islamic extremism - he's not remembered as the father of civil rights, he's the father of Turkey and Turkey's stalwart military. It didn't happen overnight.

Korea was a UN action and had all kinds of "international community" fingerprints all over it, but WE OWNED it with 35,000 troops.

Turkey has its own distinct history in developing post-Ottoman governance and avoiding cesspool Islamic extremism.

Iraq will have theirs as well, and it will look different 10 years, 20 years and 30 years from now.

14 posted on 04/28/2004 10:35:31 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
... but I don't see ...

That is the most frustrating aspect of this media propaganda campaign. We're not seeing what is actually going on in Iraq.

15 posted on 04/28/2004 10:37:08 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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To: anncoulteriscool
Shocked and Awed. He got it.
16 posted on 04/28/2004 11:01:56 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: optimistically_conservative
We agree, it seems, on the framework.
I dont really much care what the Iraqi's eventually,internally, decide to do with themselves.
The USA has made the baseline, non-negotiable terms of continued physical co-existance very clear.
I fail to understand any protestations of confusion at this point!






17 posted on 04/29/2004 12:14:49 AM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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There are only two real thorns in the existing process; well, three if you count the Iraqi's seemingly innate inability to take responsibility.

First, as an ideological 'must-have' we continue to talk of a democracy in Iraq. What is needed is a secular and in some way representative governing body. A body that is at least relatively balanced and committed to a nation rather than a family or sect. There should be some rewards, from the international community, for their progress and some real threat in the event they backslide.

But 'democracy' is totally alien to the populace of Iraq, it is probably seen as vaguely 'Jewish' and it is certainly 'western' in their insular mind set. If it happens, OK. If not, just aim to keep them in line.

Second, 'international community' is not a synonym for the United Nations! If we actually allow the UN to take a direct role in setting up shop and 'helping' the Iraqi's - we've spent a lot of time and money, and lives, on nothing.

The UN has failed every nation building test offered to it, it has proven to be more corrupt than even those on FR had imagined, and it has shown itself to be utterly opposed to our goals; that's not a good resume for the job.

18 posted on 04/29/2004 6:50:46 AM PDT by norton
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To: mtbopfuyn

Marine Sgt. Tracy Reddish of Jesup, Ga., patrols with an Iraqi policeman during a training session Wednesday in embattled Fallujah, in the final training day for Iraqi forces.
19 posted on 04/29/2004 7:06:59 AM PDT by optimistically_conservative (If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
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