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Pat Tillman: Dumb jock, baby killer? (ANTI WAR BARF ALERT!!!)
TownHall.com ^ | 28 Apr. 2004 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 04/28/2004 1:28:22 PM PDT by txradioguy

What would you call Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinal football player killed in Afghanistan? A hero? An inspiring example of American military men and women? A model of principled strength?

How about a "dumb jock"? A "baby killer"? A "dumb-a--"? A victim of "brainwashing"?

If you were a regular reader of Indymedia.org, odds are that you'd put him in the latter group. You'd think that Pat Tillman was a boob, a complete dimwit at best -- you might even believe that Pat Tillman was an evil person and deserved what he got.

Indymedia.org has 50 local chapters in the United States. Forty-four of them made no mention of Pat Tillman's death. The other six celebrated it.

The Portland, Ore., chapter of Indymedia.org posted the news of Tillman's death accompanied by this headline: "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan." Some who posted comments suggested alternate titles for the piece, like "Privileged Millionaire, Blinded by Nationalist Mythology, Pisses Away the Good Life," "Cottled Sports Star Allows Nationalism to Foster Jingoistic Irresponsibility Resulting in His Death," and "Capitalist Chooses to Kill Innocents Instead of Cashing Check."

Others made comments on the site comparing Tillman to a Nazi and accusing him of responsibility for "the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians." "Karma sure is a b----, isn't it, Tillman?" one sneered.

The Urbana-Champaign, Ill., chapter of Indymedia.org posted two articles about Tillman. One carried the headline "Pat Tillman is gone good riddance." The other labeled all soldiers "dumb-a--(es)."

The North Carolina Indymedia chapter also posted a piece labeling soldiers like Tillman "dumb-a--(es)" and added that Tillman was killed during a "baby-killing raid." San Francisco Indymedia posted the same piece. St. Louis Indymedia stated that Tillman was "brainwashed by the 'patriotism.'"

One commenter on the Washington, D.C., Indymedia site wrote this: "I saw the Post this morning, on the front page. It was sickening. They built this guy up like he was Audie Murphy or something, publishing this foto of him in his Ranger getup, all tough-looking and stony-jawed, like a goddamn' recruiting ad ... Puke-o-rama. Cold as it may sound, 'Dumb Jock Dies for Pipeline in Afghanistan' pretty much sums it up."

What is Indymedia? According to its Web site, "Indymedia is a collective of independent media organizations and hundreds of journalists offering grass-roots, non-corporate coverage. Indymedia is a democratic media outlet for the creation of radical, accurate and passionate tellings of truth." Indymedia is made up of leaders in the anti-globalization and anti-war movement, coordinating massive protests. They revel in wild conspiracy theories. They're rabidly anti-capitalist and generally anti-American. In short, they're a bunch of left-wing nuts.

Yet the American left has neglected to excise the Indymedia cancer from its support base. In 2002, the left-leaning Ford Foundation gave Indymedia $50,000. The Tides Foundation has donated $376,000 to Indymedia, according to Frontpagemag.com. Two of the biggest donors to the Tides Foundation? George Soros, who has given over $15 million to Democratic causes during this election cycle, and Teresa Heinz Kerry. Ralph Nader is one of Indymedia's biggest supporters; his group, Public Citizen, is listed as on Indymedia.org as an "ally."

Indymedia is no small-potatoes venture. Aside from its Web sites based in 50 major American markets, it also has Web sites located in five chapters in Africa, 13 in Canada, 39 in Europe, 15 in Latin America, eight in Asia, and nine in Oceania.

The Indymedia list of allies is impressive as well. It lists groups like Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Adbusters, ZNet, the Institute for Public Accuracy, and Corporate Watch.

Largely due to an unceasing hatred for President Bush, the American political left continues to support Indymedia and its ilk. During the MoveOn.org Hitler-Bush ad scandal, liberal pundits largely refused to condemn the ads. Democratic Underground, a site linked on John Kerry's official blog, constantly pushes an extreme leftism often encroaching into paranoid territory.

This latest outrage underscores the leftist community's tolerance for an ugly, radical element. The Pat Tillman insults have been floating around the Web for days; the liberal silence is deafening. Tillman died to protect freedom of speech -- that doesn't mean anyone should use it to spit on his grave.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fordfoundation; georgesoros; indymedia; ketchup; moveon; pattillman; rottencommies; teresaheinz
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IndyMedia are SCUM. I thought the lowest they could go was with their "American Myrmadon" defacing of the Time "Person of The Year" cover, but this takes the cake.
1 posted on 04/28/2004 1:28:22 PM PDT by txradioguy
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To: txradioguy
Lets connect some dots. The wive of Presidential candidate John Kerry funds a newspaper which called the Army Ranger, Tillman, a baby killer.

Ask the Senator and Mrs. Kerry if they disavow these words?

2 posted on 04/28/2004 1:31:01 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
Believe me...if he comes near here on his campaign I will be there, camera in hand and ask him that very question.
3 posted on 04/28/2004 1:32:24 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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To: Dialup Llama
they do not disavow:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125777/posts?page=39#39
4 posted on 04/28/2004 1:33:24 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: txradioguy
Anyone who says anything derogatory about Pat in my presence will receive a broken jaw.
5 posted on 04/28/2004 1:36:05 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
Well if it happens to be some pinhead from Indymedia who's jaw it is that you break...kick him once for me for the "American Myrmadon" thing too. Thanks.
6 posted on 04/28/2004 1:37:31 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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To: txradioguy
These people need to be dealt with in a series way...when the local vets hear about this, God help the islamocommiefascistRAT trash when they stick their heads out.

I DO NOT BRAKE for islamocommiefascistRATS...
7 posted on 04/28/2004 1:38:19 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: txradioguy
>> kick him once for me <<

Will do.

It seems to me the reason that these pansies hate Tillman is because he represents everything that they are not but wish they were.
8 posted on 04/28/2004 1:42:42 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.)
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To: txradioguy
FR Search is your friend.
(Though I honestly don't fault you for the re-post. This whole thing makes my blood boil too.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=jock
9 posted on 04/28/2004 1:43:13 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Leftists claim Bush is a terrorist. So why aren't they trying to appease him?)
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To: appalachian_dweller
And while you are smacking this person, kindly take out a couple of teeth for me. Thank you!
10 posted on 04/28/2004 1:45:13 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Dialup Llama
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JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320







PAT TILLMAN = A Hero for the Ages

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3169

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11 posted on 04/28/2004 1:45:59 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: txradioguy
Seen this?

http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/28/408f27f0591be?in_archive=1

Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what he deserved


by Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004



When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and

Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.


13 posted on 04/28/2004 1:51:46 PM PDT by EllaMinnow ("Pessimism never won any battle." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: redlipstick
This guy would not survice one ride in an up-armored HUMMVEE through Baghdad without peeing his pants. And that's the NICEST thing I can say about him.
14 posted on 04/28/2004 1:53:46 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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To: txradioguy
I'm 5 foot 2 and I could kick his ass. I wish I had the opportunity.
15 posted on 04/28/2004 1:55:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow ("Pessimism never won any battle." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: txradioguy
What is Indymedia? Merely the typical constituency of the current clinton/MacAwful democrat party. Because Pat was who he was, he would probably say that he was fighting to defend even these pukes' right to say what they do. Proof he was/is more honorable than all the Indymedia filth put together.
16 posted on 04/28/2004 1:58:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: redlipstick; All
I'm sitting here at a loss for words trying to comprehend the thought pattern of people like this. This same guy who wants to degrade Spc. Tillman would go absolutely ballistic if a member of his family had died and someone said something to the effect of "(Man did you hear ol' (insert name) died yesterday? Yeah that bottle hound didn't have any liver left. Wonder how Jack Damiels is gonna turn a profit with him dead?"

See what I mean? But I guess it's ok becasue it's a soldier protecting this guys freedom to speak (albeit stupidly) to degrade him in death.
17 posted on 04/28/2004 2:00:13 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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To: redlipstick
Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.

In What? Cappaquidick Drivers Education?

18 posted on 04/28/2004 2:01:11 PM PDT by gortklattu
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To: redlipstick
It is because of US-hating pansies like him we need to reinstate the draft and put his ass at the front of the line.
20 posted on 04/28/2004 2:06:07 PM PDT by Houmatt (Dru's Law. Before the next victim is someone you know.)
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