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To: JohnGalt
American Conservatives don't support "global democratic revolutions"

These words mean anything to you?

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

I would be hard pressed to think of a conservative who championed a war from the Congress--who did you have in mind?

So you're saying that all conservatives throughout American history have been opposed to all wars? It's ok if that's what you're saying, I just want to hear it explicitly from you.

Traditionally, American conservatives have acted to preserve this Constitutional Republic in the face of the ability of the government to dupe the mob into supporting its extra Constitutional programs.

Irrelevant point in this case as there is no "extra Constitutional program" on the table to be discussed.

I can see why a phony might argue that American conservatives traditionally seek to hide from public debate their own view on the cost of such enterprises.

Refusing to answer an unanswerable question is not "hiding one's view". It's refusing to answer an unanswerable question.

Suppose I ask you what the farthest star (from our Sun) is. You wouldn't answer. Is that because you're "hiding your view" or because the question can't be answered? Same thing here.

The rest of you post is a general surrender to acceptance that you know nothing about the school of thought you claim to come from.

Actually you've accused me, based on nothing, of sinful deviation from that school of thought. It's up to you to back that charge up. Still waiting....

American Conservatives have been against debt financed wars or debt financing in general as a rule.

And I am against debt financing too, all other things being equal. As I've already said.

I asked only you to share with the group how much money and blood would be worth your 'democracy' in Iraq...are you scared to tell the group and prefer to keep it a secret?

See above. No "secret", it's just a stupid and ignorant question.

The American Revolution was a defense against an actual invader not a pretend invader dreamed up by softporn purveyors and international scoundrels promoted by anti-patriotic men.

My you do love your own writing don't you.

All that is irrelevant to the point I was making.

You're (incredibly) now implying that war should be opposed unless the cost is specified in advance.

The cost of the American Revolution (which was a war) was not specified in advance, by anybody you can point to. Thus you either must withdraw your support for the American Revolution, or acknowledge that issue of cost-specification has no bearing per se on the validity of a given war. One or the other. Which is it? You tell me.

P.S. I was right wasn't I, you don't know jack squat about Trotsky do you.

398 posted on 04/29/2004 11:22:20 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Would like to talk Trotsky, Dr. Frank fan?

Shall we talk about how Trotsky differed from Lenin? Who are some famous Trotskyites? What would you like to talk about?

LOL, could you link me to the Congressional Declaration of War for this Iraq adventure? No, sorry, not your UN inspired resolution for violence but the Declaration of War.

Thanks.

"You're (incredibly) now implying that war should be opposed unless the cost is specified in advance. "

Give me a break, its but one reason of many why this is not a war conservatives can support at any level.

You're against debt financing? Can you name any wars that weren't debt financed? Or do you believe in debt financing only for wars? Don't you think if the war is actually, you know real, the gubmint should steal enough from its citizens to pay for it in cash?

I realize a folks like yourself stick to dogmatic and simple black or white scenarios, but one can support the defense of his nation from actual invaders, without supporting wars against bogeymen designed to scare soccer moms and effeminate men who were too girlish for football or hockey.
402 posted on 04/29/2004 11:40:47 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Chalabi Republicans: Soft on Treason)
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