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Black XXVI: "Hanoi John!!"
The MudTower | 26 April 2004 | Mudboy Slim

Posted on 04/26/2004 7:38:19 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim

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To: sultan88; kristinn; iceskater; AdSimp; JohnHuang2; Black Jade; dwbh
"AP Spikes Kerry Vet Story!!"

"The Associated Press has spiked reporting on the press conference this morning in Washington, D.C. by John O'Neill and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth where they accused fellow Vietnam veteran and Swift boat unit member Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the presumed Democratic party nominee for president, of being "unfit to be commander in chief." The stunning revelation was confirmed by the AP's Washington bureau this evening. A spokeswoman for the AP stated that the wire service had sent a reporter to cover the press conference. However, she said the AP decided against running a news article about it because, "It does not further the anti-Kerry Vietnam veteran story any."

No, the Media ain't hopelessly biased to the LEFT...MUD

201 posted on 05/05/2004 4:59:16 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: sultan88; nopardons
Apparently np's received a temporary respite from posting duties...MUD
202 posted on 05/05/2004 5:00:43 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: sultan88; George W. Bush; holdonnow
"I only ask where was the similar outrage when our own government was killing and burning its own citizens??"

Waco Dittoes...MUD

203 posted on 05/05/2004 5:02:47 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

204 posted on 05/05/2004 5:04:10 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: Mike Bates
LOL...good to see you back, my FRiend...MUD
205 posted on 05/05/2004 5:26:16 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: kristinn; TLBSHOW; Darth Sidious
"Hey Kristinn!!"

"HEY kristinn NO ONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THAT STORY DID YOU MISS FOX NEWS ABOUT IT CALLED THE GROUP REPUBLICAN HACKS AND LIARS AND PLAYED OLD TAPES OF MOST OF THEM PRASING KERRY AND HOW GREAT HE IS - FORGET IT THE STORY IS GOING NOWHERE"

If folks are tellin' you to stop, it must be working!! Keep the pressure on 'til November!!

GoKristinnGo...MUD

206 posted on 05/05/2004 6:12:47 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: cherry_bomb88
"What shoes???"

Ummmmmm.

...so you *got* it? :o)

207 posted on 05/05/2004 6:35:07 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru
"...so you *got* it?"

I still haven't...MUD

208 posted on 05/05/2004 6:48:45 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Ghandhi Said THAT?!

Yep...MUD

209 posted on 05/05/2004 6:53:53 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: sultan88
"How appropriate. With all the uproar over the "torture" of the Iraqi prisioners (WHAT torture, I ask??), I wonder as did Rush, where was the outrage when our government was killing and burning innocent American women and children in Waco 11 years ago??"

Or the dragging of innocent civilian contrators -- who were delivering RELIEF supplies, no less -- through the streets only to be hung like pigs, burned alive and left hanging in the wind.

Or the mass graves the Monster was responsible for filling?

"This is microscopic compared to that act of torture."

Yup, not that it's right -- if even authentic given *who* "reported" it? -- it's not; but, where & *who* are the ones outraged.
*Why* are they so selective about their outrage?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Just more Liberal-Socialist phoniness.

...on parade.

210 posted on 05/05/2004 7:02:18 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Cyber-Band; Mia T; Liz; Grampa Dave; tgslTakoma; sauropod; Pippin; COBOL2Java; BufordP
Gandhi: "Justice does not help the ones who slumber but helps only those who are vigilant."

FReegards...MUD

211 posted on 05/05/2004 7:24:30 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: All
"Clinton opened nuclear labs to terrorist-state visitors !!"

"It's well known that former Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary rolled out the welcome mat for Chinese nationals. But in keeping with her "openness policy" -- which was an outgrowth of President Clinton's "denuclearization" policy, which called for a global ban on nuclear tests, wholesale declassification of early nuclear-program secrets and lab-to-lab foreign collaborations -- O'Leary also extended the invitation to terrorist-sponsoring Middle Eastern countries. "Every terrorist country was represented at the labs, either as post-doctoral workers and students assigned there, or as visitors," said ret. Col. Edward McCallum, former head of Energy's Office of Safeguards and Security. "Iran, Iraq, Syria ... you name it, we had them from all of those places."

In an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily, McCallum revealed that, over the last decade, "hundreds" of students from sensitive Middle Eastern countries worked at Energy's labs, including Los Alamos, Lawrence Livermore and Sandia labs, where America's nuclear weapons are designed and maintained. "And we got hundreds of visits from their intelligence agencies -- that we knew about," he added. At Los Alamos, which designed most of the warheads in the U.S. arsenal and stores nuclear materials at its New Mexico facilities, the number of foreign nationals from sensitive countries working at the lab soared to 182 in 1999 from 31 in 1992, internal lab records show. Countries the lab classifies as sensitive are: Iran, Iraq, India, China, North Korea, Russia, Israel, Taiwan, Pakistan and Syria."

There is NO Statute of Limitations fer TREASON...MUD

212 posted on 05/05/2004 7:44:12 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Cicero: "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gate is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist."
213 posted on 05/05/2004 8:07:17 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Mudboy Slim
bump
214 posted on 05/05/2004 8:07:51 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Liz
"...the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist."

Yep...and Clinton and the anti-American Left are negatively impacting the American body politic...MUD

215 posted on 05/05/2004 8:23:03 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mia T
Thank ya, ma'am..."CLINTON TREASON + THE GORELICK WALL !!"

FReegards...MUD

216 posted on 05/05/2004 8:26:35 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Cyber-Band
"Right, Show Some Spine!!"
(To be sung to Johnny Cash's "I Walk The Line")

Uhmmm...
We keep a close watch on Left's Commie Slime...
MUD keeps his eyes wide open most the time...
We keep our heads up fer RAT's perfect crime...
Let's show some spine...'bout friggin' time!!

Uhmmm...Left finds it very very easy to be fooled...
RATS find themselves alone when each vote's thru!!
Left, please admit that Slick's a foolish dude!!
Reject Left's LIES...it's FReepin' Time!!

Uhmmm...We'll find a way to FReep RATS with our minds...
We'll give Left cause to doubt what's sanctified!!
Fer you, I know I'll even fight to turn the tide...
Let's show some spine...it's FReedom Time!!

Uhmmm...We keep a close watch on Left's Commie Slime...
MUD keeps his eyes wide open most the time...
We reach our hands out to the souls that try...
It's Justice Time...we'll stay on-line!!

Mudboy Slim (3/24/04)
217 posted on 05/05/2004 9:02:13 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Meant to post it to your thread, Mud! (Sorry for the double post!)
From Lars Larson.com :
-..."What's the best way to fight international terrorism - police enforcement action or military action? If the new State Department report entitled 'Patterns of Global Terrorism 2003' is any guide, the data speak for themselves."

The following data are from page 176 of the report and represent the information included in a bar graph available in PDF or HTML format:

TOTAL INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST ATTACKS, 1982 - 2003

1982- 487

1983- 497

1984- 565

1985- 635

1986- 612

1987- 665

1988- 605

1989- 375

1990- 437

1991- 565

1992- 363

1993- 431

1994- 322

1995- 440

1996- 296

1997- 304

1998- 274

1999- 395

2000- 426

2001- 355

2002- 198

2003- 190



-"Clearly, the war on terrorism is working. Since taking the fight directly to the terrorist where them train and operate, their ability to engage in terrorism has been genuinely crippled, with the number of international terrorist incidents at historic lows since the Bush administration began its systematic effort to root out terrorism worldwide."
(You can read the entire 182 page report at the following URL):

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/

218 posted on 05/05/2004 10:12:02 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: sultan88
>"These prisoners seem to have been treated very well when you compare their treatment to that of, say, American prisoners at "the Hanoi Hilton". Now that was abuse, torture, and death. None of that is going on here in the Iraqi situation. Maybe some humiliation, but certainly not torture."<

If the allegations are true, and they do *appear* to be...then they weren't treated well at all.

Yes, evil things have been done to our guys...but we are supposed to be the good guys. If we are to fight evil, than we cannot become like the evil we are fighting...or else, what is the point?
Take a look at the charges of abuse, below. Some of them are really sick.

Sorry I don't have a link for this:

..."The following are some of the key excerpts from the report prepared by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba on alleged abuse of prisoners by members of the 800th Military Police Brigade at the Abu Ghraib Prison in Baghdad. The report was ordered by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of Joint Task Force-7, the senior U.S. military official in Iraq, following persistent allegations of human rights abuses at the prison.

- Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba:
"Between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated byseveral members of the military police guard force (372nd Military Police Company, 320thMilitary Police Battalion, 800th MP Brigade), in Tier (section) 1-A of the Abu Ghraib Prison."(BCCF).

"In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses."

a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. Threatening male detainees with rape;

f. Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell.

g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

h. Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

- "The intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:

a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;

f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

i. Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

k. A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

m. Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees;

-"These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements."

(excerpt)

219 posted on 05/05/2004 10:30:15 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: FBD
Excellent post...thanks fer sharing...MUD
220 posted on 05/05/2004 3:47:50 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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