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To: Ronzo; Aquinasfan
Not an atheist. Aristotle was a polytheist.

If anybody stands on his shoulders, it would be Aquinas.

Aristotle formulated the language of the syllogism; Whether logic is an invention can be debated, but Aristotle wasn't the inventor.

Aristotle also recognized that induction wasn't the only path to first principles (First principles figure quite large in his practical ethics).

If Rand finds fault in Aristotle for viewing essences as metaphysical (read: Aristotle is wrong to say not all first principles are inductive or deductive), a strange double allegiance appears: she doesn't take to Aristotle as the teacher any more than Kant did (he also exalted his logic). We're told she disliked Kant, but on this most important point of first principles, while hoping to rise on the shoulders of Aristotle, she is closer to lopping off Aristotle's head in order to reign as Kant II.
17 posted on 04/26/2004 6:43:56 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Not an atheist. Aristotle was a polytheist.

That's what I thought...thanks for the confirmation.

If anybody stands on his shoulders, it would be Aquinas.

Agreed.

Aristotle formulated the language of the syllogism; Whether logic is an invention can be debated, but Aristotle wasn't the inventor.

Aristotle also recognized that induction wasn't the only path to first principles (First principles figure quite large in his practical ethics).

If Rand finds fault in Aristotle for viewing essences as metaphysical (read: Aristotle is wrong to say not all first principles are inductive or deductive), a strange double allegiance appears: she doesn't take to Aristotle as the teacher any more than Kant did (he also exalted his logic). We're told she disliked Kant, but on this most important point of first principles, while hoping to rise on the shoulders of Aristotle, she is closer to lopping off Aristotle's head in order to reign as Kant II.

LOL! Poor Ayn! Always amazing how 'first principles' makes or breaks so many...

48 posted on 04/26/2004 8:11:12 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: cornelis; PianoMan; stylin_geek
We're told she disliked Kant, but on this most important point of first principles, while hoping to rise on the shoulders of Aristotle, she is closer to lopping off Aristotle's head in order to reign as Kant II.

A nice, succinct summary. The irony is that Rand herself would be barely capable of understanding what Kant was trying to establish - or rather, trying to overthrow. Namely, the primacy of Reason over dogma. Mainly Aristotelian dogma.
Not widely read, in her own proud admission, she would encounter a notion or two that offended her own sensibilities and render a permanent blanket judgment on the thinker in question. She did the same with Beethoven's music. Did she read the Prologomena or the carefully and thoughtfully before dismissing Kant? No.
Did she listen to a wide range of Beethoven's work? Symphonies, overtures, piano sonatas, the string quartets? Has she even a rudimentary acquaintance with music theory? Does she approach it as a condiment (if it doesn't taste good the first time, it must be 'bad art').

Perhaps my favorite example of exposing Rand as a philosophical lightweight is her praising Aristotle to the heavens for inventing logic, followed by her own metaphysical axiom the 'A=A'. Ahem, 'A=A' is not even an intelligible statement in symbolic logic (that's the kind of logic Aristotle is credited with inventing). The proper expression would be to say 'A implies A' (A -> A). But her acquaintance with real live academic logic (did she even possess a copy of Copi?) makes her confuse logic with mathematics. She is trying to state the law of identity, but is lacks the rudimentary tools to express herself. This is a great philosopher? No, this is a self-absorbed hermit with a cult following who avoided open, equal debate. All she ever wanted was a pulpit.
Hey, at least Aristotle believed in a God. Rand's God is 'Reason', yeah, with a capital 'R', which entitle her to blend it with her personal notion of 'Nature' to form an attractive naturalist philosophy, but replete with hidden metaphysical assumptions. One basic example: Any successful capitalistic society, such as she adores, requires self-sacrifice to defend it. But why not weasle out of one's duty whenever possible. Because you respect 'ethics'? If there is no God nor afterlife, it clearly has no effect when you are dead and stinking.
It's easy to write so glibly from a NY penthouse, when you are not doing any heavy lifting yourself. If the masses adopted Rand's attitute, they would surely take a Howard Stern approach to life. Rand's Objectivism is that swan in the Glass Menagerie. Looks beautiful until you take is out and play with it. Real philosophy is made of tougher stuff. And Rand defender would be hard pressed to cite more than paltry few great capitalists or contributers to America's success who could adhere to her philosophy.

Ayn Rand - closer to Rousseau than Ben Franklin!

57 posted on 04/26/2004 10:02:29 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A socialist is just a communist who has run out of bullets)
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