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To: judicial meanz
Along the side of the road in Iraq there are many shallow graves of our service men and civilian contractors who have been mutilated and murdered. Where are their pictures?

I spent the whole day with Rumsfeld enduring those hearings. He was physically and emotionally spent at the end. I hope he can get a few hours off to recuperate.

I still think those pictures were purposely taken and manipulated by someone to make our military & government look bad. ("blue eyed ones in the military") They are too unusual and oddly posed, sadistic from what I have seen and I haven't seen much because I can't stand it. How could the entire report which stands about two feet tall be leaked to the press including the pictures, not to mention coming to a CBS station near you videos soon to be released?

I am very suspicious of this whole thing, I hope we can get to the truth and blow whoever did this out of the water to kingdom come.
2,954 posted on 05/07/2004 3:57:31 PM PDT by WestCoastGal ("Hire paranoids, they may have a high false alarm rate, but they discover all the plots" Rumsfeld)
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To: WestCoastGal
Who has the most to gain?
Who hates our military?
Who put herself on the Armed Service Committee?

hillary

The last time RNC called me I told them to get that witch off of that committee and out of Washington at all cost.
2,957 posted on 05/07/2004 4:03:02 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: WestCoastGal
Count me in WCG.

I am with you there.
2,959 posted on 05/07/2004 4:06:25 PM PDT by judicial meanz (If liberals are as compassionate as they say they are, why is there a culture war?)
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To: WestCoastGal
One more thing did you catch today when she asked Rummy a question about the pictures and he said "I don't know how you would know that."

Anybody got a transcript?
2,961 posted on 05/07/2004 4:12:09 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: WestCoastGal
Were They a Tool to Get
Iraqi Prisoners to Talk --
Or a Bizarre Soldier Diary?
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
May 7, 2004; Page A8

Who took the photos of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners and why?

Pentagon investigators are trying to determine whether the photos were one of the tools used to wrest confessions from detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison or a more innocent action -- a macabre part of some war diary being compiled by individual soldiers.

How that inquiry turns out will determine whether the Pentagon needs to revamp the way the military gathers intelligence through interrogation -- or needs to focus on counseling and training aimed at maintaining the mental health of U.S. soldiers.

Although tales of prisoner abuse by U.S. soldiers in wars past may be nothing new, creating digital documentation of battlefield transgressions certainly is. And while the soldiers and contractors caught up in the investigation of conditions at the Abu Ghraib prison represent the most serious examples, other Americans have gotten in trouble during the war in Iraq when digital evidence of their transgression was e-mailed back home.

In a report recommending punishment for a dozen U.S. soldiers and private contractors stationed at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad, the investigating officer, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, relies on the evidence provided by several digital photographs, which show a variety of Iraqi prisoners, many of them naked, who were forced into a variety of sexual poses. Many of those photographs showed leering U.S. soldiers in the background, and at least one of them showed a soldier having sex with a detainee, the report says.

Gen. Taguba's report doesn't say whether he believes the case suggests widespread dysfunction or whether these were the acts of a small number of deviant individuals. But he notes the opinion of Col. Henry Nelson, an Air Force psychiatrist who reviewed the case and determined that the "horrific abuses suffered by the detainees at Abu Ghraib were wanton acts of select soldiers in an unsupervised and dangerous setting." A report in the Washington Post about 1,000 photos it reviewed says the images of the abused Iraqi prisoners and their guards were interspersed with benign shots of U.S. soldiers riding camels -- suggesting the photos may have been a bizarre personal collection.

President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld have said they believe the abuses were an aberration.

But there is evidence to suggest that the photographs of naked Iraqi prisoners may have been intended for a darker purpose. At the time the photographs were taken, the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade controlled many parts of the prison, including those areas where the abuse took place. Attorneys for some of the military personnel accused of taking part in the abuse say they believe U.S. soldiers were ordered by military-intelligence personnel to soften up Iraqi prisoners for later interrogation. Photographs documenting the abuse, they say, may have been intended to further cow the Iraqi captives.

"These photographs, they're very obviously staged. They include simulated sex acts, and they're clearly intended for internal use," says Guy Womack, a Houston attorney who is representing Army Specialist Charles A. Graner Jr. Specialist Graner, like many of the individuals facing discipline, is a reservist in the 800th Military Police Brigade. A Pennsylvania prison guard in civilian life, Specialist Graner, 35 years old, could be facing a court martial for his role in the prison scandal; he appears to be pictured in several damning images.

Mr. Womack says he has been told that Specialist Graner and his reserve cohorts didn't make a move in the Iraqi prison without the approval of military intelligence officers. Those intelligence officers, he says, were under intense pressure from superiors in Iraq and in Washington to find evidence of weapons of mass destruction and to identify insurgents. The photographs were a tool being used to harass prisoners psychologically, Mr. Womack says. "The guards are smiling in these pictures, even though they aren't jokes," Mr. Womack says, suggesting that they are pretending to be enjoying themselves as part of the psychological pressure, rather than really enjoying themselves.

One of the disciplined soldiers is a company commander, Capt. Leo V. Merck, 32, who is in trouble for another digital snapshot taken after the prison incidents. He was relieved of command and faces a court martial after a female U.S. soldier accused him of taking digital pictures of her while she was showering. Capt. Merck, a National Guard reservist, stored the incriminating photos on an Army computer, Gen. Taguba's report says.

Marine reservist Lance Cpl. Ted J. Boudreaux, who was stationed in southern Iraq last year, also faces discipline because of a digital photograph. This one showed him with two Iraqi children, one of whom is holding a sign saying, "Cpl. Boudreaux killed my dad and th[en] he knocked up my sister." The Marines began an investigation after the photograph turned up on the Internet, drawing the ire of a Washington-based Muslim civil-rights group.

Capt. Patrick Kerr, a spokesman for the Marine Reserve, says Cpl. Boudreaux insists the photograph was doctored. The picture has been spoofed numerous times on the Web -- "I think there are like 60 different versions," Capt. Kerr said. "I've seen one where Boudreaux is standing there with two Teletubbies." The military is conducting a forensic investigation of the photo to determine what the original sign said.

Civilian contractors in the war theater also are being disciplined for transmitting digital photographs. Tami Silicio, a cargo clerk at the Kuwait International Airport, was fired from her job with Maytag Aircraft Corp. when a photograph she shot of dead U.S. soldiers being shipped home was recently reprinted in the Seattle Times newspaper.
2,962 posted on 05/07/2004 4:18:57 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: WestCoastGal
I'm still very suspicious of it all, too.
3,219 posted on 05/09/2004 1:56:04 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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