Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam

The New York Times ^ | April 26, 2004 | PATRICK E. TYLER and DON VAN NATTA Jr

[tertiary01]

You dignity is called having your head in the sand by some.

[Former Proud Canadian]

Hey, I wasn't writing about your posts. I was writing about the one that was removed.

[navyblue]

Yep, I know. A little fast with the typing. My bad my brother.

[tertiary01]

Heah...., this thread is an example of different responses to the difficult predicament we find ourselves in. Aznatives's response is comparatively the most extreme, but I'm only pointing out that if we continue on our present course of PC it will become more popular. Now that it has been deleted, this thread makes no sense.

[cyborg]

Militant muslims don't mind killing women and children (esp. children). That is what separates us from them. Besides threads like these can easily get out of control with knee jerk responses and little rational thought. This thread made sense before, and if it doesn't make sense it's becauase NO ONE wants it to make sense. People just want to act like little boys and be able to say whatever floats to the top of their minds.

[cyborg]

btw, I do agree that the more government ignores these problems the more people will take matters into their own hands.

[PresbyRev]

The decision was made by the U.S., as recently as fifty years ago, to kill men, women and children to put an end to irrational and genocidal regimes in Germany and Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Berlin and Dresden come to mind as examples of the sad and morally repugnant necessity of laying waste to human lives.

Given the character and nature of Islam and the Muslim world, if the muzzies decide to launch out in a final Jihad on the West --- is it a knee jerk response, irrational and the dreams of little boys to consider that large scale total war may be necessary before its all said and done?

Either that silent and invisible mass of 'moderate' Muslims will rise up and put an end to their own militants, the Osamas who are itching for apocalyptic confrontation with the West and an end to our way of life, values, civilization and culture; or the West will be forced into a situation of cultural survival to do that dirty business itself.

[NRA2BFree]

Let's not forget that we are allowing them to emigrate to our country and that the Mustlim birth rate is 7. We may be okay for the present, but twenty five years from now...

May be a different story then. Same goes for Europe.

That's a huge concern. They will multiply in the US and we will end up in the same boat with Europe. It's obvious that our government does not care; in that, they continue to allow Muslim's to immigrate to America.

[Sender]

I don't think muslims will be silenced now no matter what. Mainly because once people have embraced fundamental Islam, there is no turning back. If they hesitate or object to total Islamic domination, they will be accused of being apostates or blasphemers and they must be killed and their property divided up among the other muslims. It's like going into the mob...you don't leave, you don't question. The 'moderate' and 'peaceful' muslims are either in denial of the nature of their faith or they are lying to our faces.

[ought-six]

Coming soon to a theater or drive-in near you. Folks, this is what we'll be dealing with here in America within 3 - 5 years, if not sooner. We, the American citizens, better gird up for it, because we will be on the front lines, just as the average Israeli citizen is on the front lines.

[Sender]

Did you hear about the ice cream vendor in Lahore, Pakistan who made 2 Christians buy the bowls they were eating from because now they were 'defiled' by the dirty unbelievers and could never be used for muslims again? I have very little sympathy for these 'people'.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

That's where you're wrong. Before independence, if you were from a colony your ethnicity was British. At least that is what was stamped on my mother's passport. Read how long they've been there, they were there for generations but it looks as if these kids have unravelled completely.

Ethnicity is not determined by a passport. The "ethnos" is a group of people of common descent with a common language and culture. Its a Greek word, but the same thing as nationality, coming from the latin root "natus", "to be born". If you are born an ethnic related to the people of Pakistan and India you can never, ever, ever become a Briton, just as you could never, ever, ever become an African or an Australian Aboriginal. Its as impossible as homosexual marriage.

I have as much chance of turning Chinese as anyone from the subcontinent has a chance of ever being mistaken for an actual Briton.

And no, it doesn't matter how many generations you are there. Unless they intermarry and gradually lose their "Indianness" or "Pakistaniness" over perhaps 5 generations (the old 1/32 rule) of marrying Britons, they and their children ain't Britons!

A Passport stamped "Briton" makes you a British citizen, not "British". Nothing more, and nothing less.

[cyborg]

I think many people whose parents emigrated to England, would disagree with you esp. since they grew up there for decades. Who is an American then? I respectfully disagree with you.

[Gritty]

The "Kill them All" mentality of some on this message board is ugly beyond contempt.

You're right.

It should be, "kill their unrepentant leaders and open up their societies to allow the rest of them to either convert Christianity or leave their murderous ways, permanently".

Islam directs the killing or slavery of unbelievers if they will not convert. We should settle with defeating them without the massive killing of them, if possible.

But, defeat them, we must. The option is ultimately either our own slavery or death

[ought-six]

Old Europe is basically finished (by "Old Europe" I mean the old democracies and republics). "New Europe" will give the Islamists short shrift, I think, if they try their jihad there (I'm referring to Poland and the other former Soviet satellites that are now free: They are the New Europe).

[cyborg]

What role do you think the socialist governments are playing in this situation? Spain does not seem to get it at all.

[MEGoody]

"But I'm absolutely for a little ethnic cleansing and removing all them from all western countries."

That wouldn't eliminate the problem. It might delay it awhile.

I used to defend the Muslims. You know, they aren't all like that, etc. I'm finding I was wrong about that.

It seems they all work toward overthrow of any government not run by Islamic law - some just do it violently, and some are much more subtle.

[ought-six]

"I don't think muslims will be silenced now no matter what. Mainly because once people have embraced fundamental Islam, there is no turning back. If they hesitate or object to total Islamic domination, they will be accused of being apostates or blasphemers and they must be killed and their property divided up among the other muslims. It's like going into the mob...you don't leave, you don't question. The 'moderate' and 'peaceful' muslims are either in denial of the nature of their faith or they are lying to our faces."

Thanks for expressing this. It is so very true. It is a true death cult.

[NRA2BFree]

The "Kill them All" mentality of some on this message board is ugly beyond contempt.

Are you a Muslim?? You need to understand that ALL of them are ORDERED by the Koran to kill ALL of us. Maybe the 1.2 billion Muslims didn't take part in the 9/11 attacks, but they would have if they had the chance. ALL of the people who died in the 9/11 attacks did not deserve to die and then have Muslims around the world celebrating, dancing in the streets. They cheer and dance in the streets EVERY single time a suicide bombing, or a terror attack takes place, ANYWHERE in the world.

There's only ONE thing that Muslims want to do, and that's to murder EVERYONE who is not Muslim, and that includes you, so before you condemn us you need to tell us exactly how you would stop them?? It's people like you who will cave in when Muslims in your city want to start announcing Muslim prayers over loud speakers 5 times a day. They won't be satisfied with that either. They'll keep on pushing for you to become Muslim or they will kill you. I DON'T like the way I feel, but it's coming down to either THEM OR US! What would you do to solve the problem??

[ought-six]

The socialist governments are appeasers, and thus allow the jihadists to wreak havoc in their countries.