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To: BillF
What is the relationship between the medal and the citation? If the citation is a piece of paper, isn't Kerry likely to maintain that he threw away his ribbons, but not his medals, per his GMA appearance (and in conflict with his earlier statements)? Beyond that, then he'll claim that the citations were lost or eaten by his dog and he had the citations replaced in the 80s?

If it were just a matter of replacing a piece of paper, I agree with you. However, if he only needed a copy of the citation, there would be no need for Lehman to sign a new one. The citations from Zumwalt and Hyland would have sufficed for the Silver Star and Zumwalt alone for the Bronze Star. Lehman could just have signed a cover letter and forwarded them to Kerry.

Since we don't have the dated cover letters or the actual award nomination forms, it is difficult to figure out exactly what prompted Lehman to sign these citations at least 12 years after Kerry left Vietnam and probably longer. I am speculating that Kerry requested that his medals be reissued, which required SECNAV administratively to reissue the citation. In the case of the Silver Star, the citation wording (last sentence) is slightly different from Hyland's, which could just be a matter of changed wording for some of the boilerplate language.

I agree that throwing away the ribbons versus the medals may just be a semantic difference, but Kerry's problem is that he has stated previously that first he threw away his medals, then he changed the story in the 1980s to say that he threw away his ribbons and someone else's medals. According to Kerry, he kept his medals because he is proud of them. He has them prominently displayed in his office. If we discover that he asked to have the medals replaced, then it is no longer a semantic difference between what he meant between ribbons and medals, like he said on GMA today. A request for replacement would be equivalent of Monica's blue dress with the stain.

It is damaging to throw away one's decorations. Kerry could say that he did it as a matter of principle. But the fact that he lied about it is even more damaging. It is the old business about the cover-up being worse than the crime.

392 posted on 04/26/2004 3:24:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Thanks for an excellent explanation! And thank you for your military service!

I agree that the ribbons vs. medals controversy calls into question his honesty. Throwing away either raises questions about patriotism.

395 posted on 04/26/2004 3:40:09 PM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: kabar
Good summation. I haven't followed this entire thread. Has anyone solved the mystery of the Lehman signature?

I still say Kerry's real problem is he perpetuated the "I-tossed-MEDALS" story for 13 years. The press wrote about it prominently and for all that time he didn't correct them. Of course, in the 1970's his high-profile anti-war activities made him a hero in the donkey party.

He only changed to the "I-tossed-someone-else's-medals" story in 1984 when he was running for the senate and realized anti-war protestors were no longer in vogue. (Think: Morning in America.)
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This is also almost identical to Kerry's allowing the Boston press to write for years that he was an "Irish Catholic", a good thing for a Boston pol. Only last year did he suddenly reveal he's not Irish, but of Jewish ancestry...just in time for the prez campaign!
396 posted on 04/26/2004 3:40:32 PM PDT by Timeout (Dems and MediaCrats: Stuck in a 9/10 world.)
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To: kabar
I need a copy of the Lehman-signed citations. Do you have one or can you give me a link?
416 posted on 04/27/2004 4:17:29 AM PDT by Timeout (Dems and MediaCrats: Stuck in a 9/10 world.)
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