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US tips toward restraint in Fallujah [we're picking them off at will]
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 4/26/04 | Scott Peterson

Posted on 04/25/2004 4:02:08 PM PDT by saquin

FALLUJAH, IRAQ - The US Marine sniper hadn't slept all night, but it was hard to tell under the layers of camouflage face paint.

He was back at home base after a night battle that left some 30 insurgents dead. "Recon found [the insurgents], they were engaged, and then Specter gunships let loose," said the sniper. "They are no more."

The sniper is at the sharp end of an increasingly successful hunt for guerrillas that is giving US Marines pause as they weigh the possibility of an all-out assault on Fallujah.

Tuesday, US troops will begin joint patrols with Iraqi security forces inside Fallujah in an attempt to gradually restore control over the insurgent stronghold without a major attack. Fallujah presents US officials with a difficult nut to crack. They cannot cede control of the city to the 2,000 or so insurgents now there. But a full-scale assault - accompanied by likely civilian casualties - could turn large segments of the Iraqi population against the US, and derail plans to construct a democratic stronghold in the Middle East.

Tough threats from US commanders that insurgents in Fallujah had just "days not weeks" to hand in their weapons gave way over the weekend to a less strident tone.

"If we don't do this absolutely correctly, we will incur damage to the end state we seek," warns Col. John Coleman, chief of staff of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force that controls western Iraq.

Instead of bringing enough stability to hand over control to a future Iraqi government, he says the stand-off over Fallujah is a very complex "small war" and "we're deep in it."

To decide future steps, all senior US civilian and military chiefs for Iraq met at Camp Fallujah (seven miles east of the city) on Saturday. At the same time, President Bush and his national security aides held a conference call with Gen. John Abizaid, commander of all US forces in the Mideast, to focus on Iraq and Fallujah.

The series of meetings at this base Saturday - which also included local leaders from Fallujah - agreed that joint US-Iraqi police patrols would begin on Tuesday, and that new rules would forbid weapons on the streets. Terms of the ceasefire, which included a handover of all heavy weapons, have not been met.

At 109 American deaths in Iraq already, and hundreds more Iraqi guerrillas and civilians, April is the deadliest month yet. A marine offensive, commanders predict, would be costly - and possibly counter-productive.

Colonel Coleman uses a painting analogy to describe the complexities of the frontline - and how to balance the amount of force used, with the amount of diplomacy. "I'm looking for a Rembrandt solution, and I don't have it yet. I'm still mixing colors and testing strokes," Coleman says. "We can paint by numbers - that's easy, that's what we're best at. But that's not the right solution."

A military solution is always possible, no matter how much time is spent looking for a peaceful way out. "If it fails, I can always go kinetic," Coleman adds. "That's always there."

Marines in this theater - from the top ranks to truck drivers - declare confidently that they could "take down" Fallujah in 24 hours, with "bone crushing" force. But a sense of moderation - and that the solution is somewhere in between - has been growing in recent days.

Delay of any offensive also appears to be paying off. Though insurgents have been able to dig in deeper during the shaky ceasefire, and hone their defenses, US Marines are also taking a toll.

Beside the early Saturday operation that US officers say killed 30 at a farmhouse south of Fallujah - when the 105mm Howitzer and 40mm cannons of the AC-130 Specter gunship engaged the hideout - another battle in the early hours Sunday killed another 11.

Marines spotted a handful of men leaving a mosque with shoulder-held rockets, and engaged them on the northwest edge of the city. More came out of the brush, firing. When the battle was over, according to two American journalists embedded with the unit, the dead guerrillas were lined up and left there - a stark message. A weak rebel counter-attack later fizzled.

"We're doing a great job singling out these insurgents," says Lance Corporal Justin Lapree from Houston, Texas. "Each day, it's baby steps. You've got to crawl before you can walk, and right now we're crawling."

"We came out here to do peacekeeping, but along the way we've been tasked for some war-fighting," says Lapree, of the 2nd Battalion 1st Marine Regiment. "I'm definitely ready to get this over with in a peaceful way, if it can be done. But we're not [the ones] bringing the fight."

The usual gung-ho of some marines is giving way to a recognition of political costs - and that they are chipping away at the guerrillas anyway. "I think what we're doing is the right way to do it - we're creating a rapport. We're not here to occupy," says Staff Sgt. Jason Valez, from New York City. "At the same time, we're not going to be pushed over or bullied. It's definitely going to work, it just takes time.

"Marines have been doing a good job with precise fire," says Sergeant Valez. "We're not just going to roll in."

Coleman says that it will be important that Iraqis are on board with the solution, since the occupation is meant to end: "I don't want to own Fallujah with a bunch of marines down there, who are getting potshots everyday because we didn't take any Iraqis with us."

Lakhdar Brahimi, the United Nations envoy who is helping draft an Iraqi interim government urged the Bush administration Sunday to "tread carefully" in besieged Fallujah and avoid alienating an already angry populace.

Before leaving Iraq he described the siege as unacceptable collective punishment. Asked about that Sunday, Brahimi said: "When you surround a city, you bomb the city, when people cannot go to hospital, what name do you have for that? And you, if you have enemies there, this is exactly what they want you to do, to alienate more people so that more people support them rather than you.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abizaid; bush; enemy; fallujah; insurgents; iraq; killed; marines
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To: Polybius
Nice graph!! But you know, I sort of like the old way. If a city harbors the bad guys, well the city gets leveled with all inhabitants off to their glory. I think that usually worked in the olden days. But I guess I am just an old fashioned girl.
21 posted on 04/25/2004 4:52:08 PM PDT by cajungirl (<i>swing low, sweet limousine, comin' fer to Kerry me hoooommmee</i>)
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To: tuvals
God Bless our Marines! 2 important names to remember-Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne and Maj. Gen. James Mattis. These are 2 Marines that you can count on. Their names will be etched in future history. They believe in killing people that need killing! They have no time for inept politicians or cry baby liberals. They are there to do their jobs,defend America and protect their Marines! Prayers for all of our young Marine heroes in Fallujah,they all have a very difficult job. Marines are the best and they will prevail with the help of the only True God and their M-16s!
Semper Fi~
22 posted on 04/25/2004 4:52:58 PM PDT by sgt.k-bar
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To: tuvals
"Our marines are doing a fine job in picking the rebels off one by one with sniper fire. If the going gets tough I am sure there is a strategic plan to go into town and clear out the insurgents with the big guns on the ground and gunships in the air."

The Iraqi's and other thugs aren't having to much success in these small scale operations...maybe they'll reach a point and just do a full scale (Kamakazi) attack, huh?

23 posted on 04/25/2004 4:53:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: sgt.k-bar
Yes, God bless you, Marines!!!!!! I hope some of you can read these posts.

Every dead American needs be avenged a hundred-fold. I am sick of the media throwing our losses up in our face. Our guys are saints, trying not to kill anyone innocent, even though it endangers them more. Still, they are kicking ass. However, when was the last time you saw a big, old honking chart enumerating the enemy losses? NEVER.
24 posted on 04/25/2004 4:57:33 PM PDT by Inkie (Surround Fallujia and start shooting.)
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To: blam
If they do a kamakazi attack they die and we will probably lose some good soldiers. I personally wish we would announce to the law abiding populace to move out and then go in full force and clear out the insurgents, capture their weapons and kill anyone who offers resistance. Terrorism will never be totally dissolved but our improving our intelligence and knocking off those that are a threat to freedom sends a clear message (Be Prepared To Die). I don't like ware but after 9/11 terrorists declared war on this country and we are and will continue stalking every last one of them. Fighting on their soil is (IMHO) the way to go. May God bless every soldier who is serving our country and those who gave their lives to preserve our freedom.
25 posted on 04/25/2004 5:05:18 PM PDT by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: Inkie
Outstanding point! The media potrays only bad news of American losses-we need to emphasize the enemy losses! I believe that grassroot American is 100% in support of our troops. It is time to tell it like it is and not to be afraid or ashamed to believe in God,have pride in America and support our military. Thank God that we all have the freedoms we do in America. The liberal media distorts how America really feels. I am really thankful for freerepublic for being a form of sharing the truth! God Bless America and God Bless all of our U.S. Troops!
Special daily prayers for our brave young Marine heroes in Fallujah. God Bless General Mattis,Lt. Colonel Bryne and "Chesty" Puller-wherever you are!
Semper Fi~
26 posted on 04/25/2004 5:11:50 PM PDT by sgt.k-bar
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To: oceanview
What about the foreign fighters there?

They die in a foreign country, one at a time, from a single shot they never hear fired by a Marine they never see.

27 posted on 04/25/2004 5:21:06 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: saquin
I am so glad the Marines are in charge, and not the band of idiots on FreeRepublic who claim MOABs are the only answer.
28 posted on 04/25/2004 5:24:57 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: saquin
Line them up hundreds at a time, and may the force be with our brave soldiers and Marines. GOD SPEED!
29 posted on 04/25/2004 5:27:35 PM PDT by LaGrone
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To: oceanview
The end game is when the insurgents get their virgins...
30 posted on 04/25/2004 5:28:59 PM PDT by lancer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A good start, and they won't be breeding any more terrorist! The more our trained troops kill over there, the less we will see come here for our untrained police to deal with.
31 posted on 04/25/2004 5:29:05 PM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: Inkie
BTTT
32 posted on 04/25/2004 5:33:22 PM PDT by lancer
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To: oceanview
Thats right. This will cost more marines their lives.
33 posted on 04/25/2004 5:38:40 PM PDT by ChinaThreat
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To: ChinaThreat
let's see what happens. for all the talk of the political angle on this, Bush isn't stupid, he knows that a few days of reports of dead marines in these patrols is a bad outcome.
34 posted on 04/25/2004 5:43:45 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rokke
I would like to introduce you to the new and improved MOAB sniper?

Semper Fi
35 posted on 04/25/2004 5:44:55 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (Al Ramadi Special: Ziti parmigano and tomato basil sauce: $8.95)
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To: Dog
"Fallujah will be taken apart a section at a time.."

Heavenly Father, if patience on our part will yield huge numbers of enemy dead, Oh Merciful God, grant us unlimited patience. Amen.

36 posted on 04/25/2004 6:07:35 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: get'emall
Looks like the endgame might be to take them out in batches... on our timing.

Yeah, one block at a time, bit by bit. "Invasion? What invasion? We're just expanding our security zone a little during the cease-fire."

-ccm

37 posted on 04/25/2004 6:42:46 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: saquin
The usual gung-ho of some marines is giving way to a recognition of political costs - and that they are chipping away at the guerrillas anyway. "I think what we're doing is the right way to do it - we're creating a rapport. We're not here to occupy," says Staff Sgt. Jason Valez, from New York City. "At the same time, we're not going to be pushed over or bullied. It's definitely going to work, it just takes time.

"Marines have been doing a good job with precise fire," says Sergeant Valez. "We're not just going to roll in."

This one Staff Sergeant has a far greater understanding of the situation than an entire generation of college professors and media professionals. It's amazing.
38 posted on 04/25/2004 7:01:37 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: saquin
Beside the early Saturday operation that US officers say killed 30 at a farmhouse south of Fallujah - when the 105mm Howitzer and 40mm cannons of the AC-130 Specter gunship engaged the hideout - another battle in the early hours Sunday killed another 11.

Don't you just love the sound of an AC-130 in the morning?

39 posted on 04/25/2004 7:09:24 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: jackbill
Don't you just love the sound of an AC-130 in the morning?

Don't you know the insurgents just about lose their lunch when they hear it coming?

40 posted on 04/26/2004 5:26:28 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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