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Jewish activists: Apologize to Mel
WorldNet Daily ^
| 4/24/04
| Rabbi Daniel Lapin
Posted on 04/25/2004 12:10:28 PM PDT by wagglebee
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:10:28 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
To: wagglebee
And, should 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity, I can't help wondering, would the world be a better place or a worse place?
The answer to this should be obvious.
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:16:29 PM PDT
by
CzarNicky
(The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
To: wagglebee
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:31:04 PM PDT
by
ALOHA RONNIE
(Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
To: wagglebee
Islam is a great puzzle. Why did God permit it to happen? Other heresies had their day and faded away. The Arian heresy swept through the Church and had a huge majority of the bishops under its sway, but as time passed it died out.
The only heresy that succeeded from the beginning and continued to grow in size for 1,500 years is Islam. One reason, paradoxically, is Islam's intolerance. Once a Muslim always a Muslim, or your family and neighbors will kill you.
But the Communist system in the USSR was equally intolerant and all-controlling, and it fell after only 70 years.
It's hard to see how Islam can be defeated now, short of the end of the world or an incredibly huge mass conversion. Small scale conversions won't do, because Muslims have proved themselves to be extremely efficient at exterminating "infidels" in their midst.
Conversion would certainly be the happiest outcome. But only if God wills it.
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:38:32 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Cicero
This is why their leaders try to keep them so ignorant of the outside world through censorship, etc. They know if most Muslims saw what Western life was truly about there would be rebellion. Even Khomeni's grandson is now opposed to Islamfascism.
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:41:48 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
To: wagglebee
Freedom, democracy, a higher standard of living...these would all radically change Islam. Their leaders know that.
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:55:10 PM PDT
by
maro
To: maro
Yes, and the Muslim leaders have that and want to keep it for themselves.
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posted on
04/25/2004 12:57:45 PM PDT
by
wagglebee
To: Cicero
It is not just up to God's will. God has already shown us His will is for salvation of man. That was the whole point of His Son's sacrifice.
We have free will. It is the choice of each man and woman. God's will and love remain steadfast. The deciding factor rests in humanity - our free will.
To: ValerieUSA
A valid point. God governs history with His providence, yet at the same time allows us free will.
But it's hard to resist the idea that when you have a Great Awakening like the one that took place in America in the 19th century or in England at the time of John Wesley, God has decided to touch people with His grace in greater measure than usual.
The grace that surrounded the apparition of the Virgin of Guadalupe converted millions of Indians in Latin America, and changed the culture from aboriginal cruelty and superstition to Christianity in a fairly short time. Each convert made his own decision, but it was an altogether remarkable change from the culture that preceded it.
But for 1,500 years Muslims seem to have been immune to such divine grace. And Muslims do NOT believe in any least degree of freedom of the will.
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posted on
04/25/2004 2:27:45 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: CzarNicky
And, should 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity, I can't help wondering, would the world be a better place or a worse place? The answer to this should be obvious. Yes - if they took it to the same extremes that they've done with islam then we'd have to worry about the Crusades being perpetrated all over again.
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posted on
04/25/2004 2:30:11 PM PDT
by
solitas
(sometimes I lay awake at night looking up at the stars wondering where the heck did the ceiling go?)
To: wagglebee
And, should 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity, I can't help wondering,
would the world be a better place or a worse place?
To paraphrase Churchill, this is the sort of question that only an intellectual,
university professor, or mainstream journalist would either answer
"can't tell" or "worse place".
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posted on
04/25/2004 2:33:34 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: wagglebee
Wouldn't it be uplifting and even noble were the Jewish groups who earlier had insulted "The Passion," its maker, the Gospels that inspired it and indeed all Christians, now to issue an apology? Well, it would be all of those things. But it would also be unthinkable. Plus, those bozos are too busy trying to get Kerry elected to issue an apology.
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posted on
04/25/2004 2:36:24 PM PDT
by
Skooz
(My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
To: CzarNicky
Islamofacists want to keep their flock:
Barefoot, and pregnant...With Burqas.
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posted on
04/25/2004 2:40:55 PM PDT
by
Smartass
(BUSH & CHENEY 2004 - THE BEST GET BETTER)
To: Cicero
I guess we could ask that about any evil.
And in my mind, Islam is evil. One of the reasons it was able to get going, however, was that it took Jewish ritual practice and adherence to a law that governed both religious and social behavior, and combined it with Christian proseltysing. However, it was a parody of both, using an insane, run-amok, mongrel "law" in place of the genuine Law of Moses, and bloody conquest in place of the Christian preaching and martyrdom (of the preachers, not of innocent bystanders) that spread Christianity.
In addition, its message was not to turn the other cheek and conquer by being gentle and law-abiding, but to attack and collect booty and slaves, because Allah was on your side and blood should flow if people didn't agree.
That's why it appeals to our prison population: it tells the weak and dysfunctional that they are strong and meant to be in charge, not because they are good or smart, but simply because they are more ruthless. And it tells them that their reward will be all the "things" they have ever wanted: riches and sex.
Islam arose at a time and in an area where Christianity had been severely weakened by Arianism (which was a quasi-Unitarianism that made it very easy for heresy-influenced Christians to accept Islam) and the Church had lost much of its control. The Jews had fled long before, although there were many colonies still living in the area; however, they were powerless. And the Roman Empire and its few remaining vestiges of order and authority had been gone for some time, permitting little warring tribes to seize power throughout the area.
But the long and short of it is that Islam is evil, and the Devil like a roaring lion goes about seeking whom he may devour. Islam has been knocked back several times, but not without effort. But in our modern, naive society, where Christian orthodoxy is weakened, Europe has almost vanished, and the United States itself is undermined by doubt, the Devil (aka Islam) finds a lot to devour.
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posted on
04/25/2004 3:03:38 PM PDT
by
livius
To: wagglebee
A pungent polemic, well conceived and deftly executed.
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posted on
04/25/2004 3:18:26 PM PDT
by
beckett
To: livius
Actually, the Eastern Church in the year 600 was weakened not by Arianism, but by Monophysitism.
Syria and Egypt were heavily Monophysite when the Muslims invaded. They converted to Islam. Arians did not believe in the Trinity. They rejected the divinity of Christ. Monophysites believed solely in the divinity of Christ and completely rejected his humanity. Mono Physis. One Energy. One Divine Energy in Christ.
The Egyptian Copts today are Monophysite.
To: Cicero
re: Islam is a great puzzle. Why did God permit it to happen? Other heresies had their day and faded away. )))
Since you ask a religious question, you might read in Genesis the account of Cain/Abel, Isaac/Ishmael, and Jacob/Esau. These are three sets of brothers with father issues, and "God" issues. This motif is repeated in various ways even up to the Prodigal Son--and I believe it may figure in a cosmic way over the question of Free Will and the Problem of Evil.
Sarah shouldn't have gotten impatient, and should have trusted to God's promise of a child in her old age. She "jumped the gun" and handed over Hagar for Abraham to impregnate, but this set up a big domestic and spiritual conflict when Sarah herself bore Isaac . Hagar found herself and her child rejected, exiled and "unchosen", so her son got a consolation prize , a promise of her own from God--to bear an enormous nation, a huge population, and to be an eternal menace and a force for irrationality.
The Mohammed.
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posted on
04/25/2004 4:55:25 PM PDT
by
Mamzelle
(for a post-Neo conservatism)
To: wagglebee
"And, should 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity, I can't help wondering, would the world be a better place or a worse place?" ... This was a good article, but it ended poorly; satan would release Islamic minds sufficiently for so many to be saved from among his staunchest adherents. But, then again, The Truth--Jesus, and Him crucified--has to be more powerful than Satan, so maybe the author has a point?
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posted on
04/25/2004 5:01:02 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
To: Sam the Sham
That's true, but...
Arianism had already been rejected, technically speaking, more than a century earlier. However, it had laid the groundwork for the "Jesus as prophet" theory, and in addition, had seriously disrupted Rome's control over the areas where Islam had actually developed.
Once Islam was full-blown, it was easy for it to conquer other areas that were non-Trinitarian and not united with Rome/Constantinople.
Islam always knows how to seek out its advantage.
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posted on
04/25/2004 5:23:40 PM PDT
by
livius
To: livius
No. I disagree.
Arianism was Greek in its roots. It was strong in the West, not the East.
Monophysis was the extreme opposite of Arianism. While Arianism argued that Christ was some kind of a mega angel, not one in being with the Father, made not begotten, Monophysis argued that Christ WAS the Father and that he did not suffer on the cross.
Islam argues the opposite of Monophysis. That Christ was simply a man. Nothing more.
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