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How same-sex marriage threatens liberty
WorldNetDaily ^ | April 24, 2004

Posted on 04/24/2004 10:37:03 PM PDT by scripter

We are engaged in the hottest political debate of our time; that is, whether marriage should be redefined to include same-sex couples or other alternatives.

Everything from morality, legal benefits, the impact on children, public schools, government and private businesses have been discussed in the media. Incredibly, almost no attention has been focused on the very real threats to our civil and religious liberties.

Specifically, the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status given to thousands of churches, nursing homes, schools, ministries, universities and radio stations may be at risk if an organization "discriminates" against a legally protected status, such as same-sex marriage.

What does this mean? If gay marriage is legalized, then any church or religious organization that doesn't agree with same-sex marriage will likely come under intense pressure to either change their views or go silent. Tax-exempt status for faith-based organizations that fail to agree with same-sex marriage will be at risk.

That is already happening in Canada. Recently, judges imposed same-sex marriage in three Canadian provinces. Today, the Canadian Parliament is discussing a bill (C-250) that Canadians claim could be used to outlaw parts of the Bible as hate speech and could criminalize individuals in organizations that teach that same-sex contact is immoral. Same-sex marriage is a serious threat to our civil and religious liberties and could lead to widespread discrimination against people who disagree.

John Leo, columnist for U.S. News and World Report, wrote on April 19, "The Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ruled that a newspaper ad listing biblical passages that oppose homosexuality was a human-rights offense. The commission ordered the paper and Hugh Owens, the man who placed the ad, to pay $1,500 each to three gay men who objected to it.

"In another case, a British Columbia court upheld the one-month suspension, without pay, of a high-school teacher who wrote letters to a local paper arguing that homosexuality is not a fixed orientation but a condition that can and should be treated. The teacher, Chris Kempling, was not accused of discrimination, merely of expressing thoughts that the state defines as improper."

Persecution isn't confined to Canada. Leo went on to write, "In Sweden, sermons are explicitly covered by an anti-hate-speech law passed to protect homosexuals. The Swedish chancellor of justice said any reference to the Bible's stating that homosexuality is sinful might be a criminal offense, and a Pentecostal minister is already facing charges.

"In Britain, police investigated Anglican Bishop Peter Forster of Chester after he told a local paper: 'Some people who are primarily homosexual can reorientate themselves. I would encourage them to consider that as an option.' Police sent a copy of his remarks to prosecutors, but the case was dropped.

"In Ireland last August, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties warned that clergy who circulated a Vatican statement opposing gay marriage could face prosecution under incitement-to-hatred legislation.

"In the United States, the dominance of anti-bias laws and rules limiting free speech and free exercise of religion is clear on campuses, not so clear in the real world. Still, First Amendment arguments are losing ground to anti-discrimination laws in many areas." (John Leo, "Stomping on Free Speech")

A court in England ruled in January that a preacher who held up a sign in a town square calling for an end to homosexuality, lesbianism and immorality was "properly convicted" of a criminal offense.

The newly elected socialist prime minister of Spain said, "We are going to present a bill to set gay unions on the same footing as marriage. … It will have the same legal effect [as marriage]."

Canada. Sweden. Ireland. England. Spain. Now, the United States.

What is incredible is the speed at which our culture has moved on this issue. Only one year ago no major political figure, from either party, would have publicly embraced same-sex marriage – that was viewed as political suicide. Neither the media nor the mainstream press was pushing gay marriage. So, what happened?

June 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court released Lawrence v. Texas, which held that states could not outlaw sodomy. Justice Scalia in his dissent wrote, almost prophetically, that Lawrence could lead to gay marriage. The court's majority dismissed Scalia's concerns as overreaching scare tactics. Five months later, Scalia, to his dismay, was proven right when the Goodridge decision ordered the Massachusetts Legislature to legalize gay marriage by May 17, 2004.

Six legal scholars wrote of Massachusetts' effort to equate civil unions with man/woman marriage, "Churches and other religious organizations that fail to embrace civil unions as indistinct from marriage may be forced to retreat from their practices, or else face enormous legal pressure to change their views. Precedent from our own history and that of other nations suggests that religious institutions could even be at risk of losing tax-exempt status, academic accreditation and media licenses, and could face charges of violating human-rights codes or hate-speech laws." (Institute for Marriage and Public Policy)

How could this happen? A 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision said, "An institution seeking tax-exempt status must serve a public purpose and not be contrary to established public policy. To warrant exemption under 501(c)(3), an institution must fall within a category specified in that section and must demonstrably serve and be in harmony with the public interest." (Bob Jones University v. United States, 461 US 574 (1982))

If courts buy the argument (opposed today by many African-Americans) that the plight of gays is equal to that of oppressed racial minorities, then the courts may find a "public interest." That finding could lead to a denial of tax-exempt status to organizations that oppose same-sex marriage.

We have a window of opportunity here in Minnesota to act before May 17. On that day, the Minnesota Constitution requires that the Legislature adjourn its business, ironically the same day that same-sex marriage will be legalized in Massachusetts for the first time in the history of our nation.

I am the Senate author of SF 2715, the constitutional amendment allowing the people to vote on marriage. This bill, authored by Rep. Mary Liz Holberg, passed overwhelmingly 88-42 in the Minnesota House of Representatives on a bi-partisan vote. Gov. Tim Pawlenty supports this bill. Now the challenge is in the Minnesota State Senate. All we need is to impact the senators of our state and ask them to pass SF 2715, unamended, so that millions of Minnesotans, rather than one judge or 201 legislators, can decide the definition of marriage at the ballot box in November.

With the experience of other nations as a guide, we have our civil liberties to lose and little to gain by doing nothing. Our counterparts in Sweden, England and Canada are giving us a glimpse into our future if we fail to act.

The senators need to hear from their constituents today. Nothing less than our civil and religious liberties are at stake!

For more information you can also visit www.mnvoter.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: canaduh; catholiclist; gays; homosexualagenda; marriage; prisoners; samesexmarriage; ssm
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1 posted on 04/24/2004 10:37:04 PM PDT by scripter
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To: little jeremiah
Ping.
2 posted on 04/24/2004 10:37:26 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Please, no more use of "its happening in Canada" as a justification for anything. Canada might seem like "USA Lite" to many who live south of their common border, but in reality, our Constitutional rights were a reason for our being, theirs were an afterthought.

I was adopted as an infant, from a home for unwed mothers in Canada, and brought to the US by good people from Indiana, who not only gave me the gift of a family, but the most precious gift of American citizenship. My very earliest childhood memory is that of getting handed a 48-star US flag from a judge at the age of three and a half.

There's a difference between living in a country that fought for its freedom (still continues to fight for the freedom of people all around the globe), and one that simply waited for the British to get tired of the weather and leave of their own accord!

3 posted on 04/24/2004 10:46:04 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: scripter
...outlaw parts of the Bible as hate speech and could criminalize individuals in organizations that teach that same-sex contact is immoral.

But the Metropolitcan Community Church doesn't believe the Bible condemns homosexuality. <\sarcasm>

4 posted on 04/24/2004 10:50:30 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: hunter112
We'll just have to disagree that the U.S. is slipping in the same direction.
5 posted on 04/24/2004 10:52:12 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
What is incredible is the speed at which our culture has moved on this issue.

Not incredible at all. From a historical standpoint, societies have often moved quite abruptly in either direction (from embracing to rejecting homosexuality or from rejecting to embracing homosexuality).

6 posted on 04/24/2004 10:52:42 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Coming to a Theater Near You Alert.

Some say it won't/can't happen here. Well, what about all the other increments that couldn't happen here, and are now what passes for reality?

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

I suppose we could all just play pretend and think that everything will turn out all right even if we ignore the stated goals of the homosexual activists. But isn't that how things got to the present state in the first place?
7 posted on 04/24/2004 10:58:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: AntiGuv
We've come a long way in a year. Just looking at the categorical index and how many articles we saw in 2003 - that tells us we've moved at an incredible speed towards embracing a mental defect as something normal. We should encourage homosexuals to seek help, not encourage their lifestyle as a valid alternative.
8 posted on 04/24/2004 11:04:25 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: little jeremiah
Some say it won't/can't happen here. Well, what about all the other increments that couldn't happen here, and are now what passes for reality?

Someone I was very close to as a child used to propose the same argument. I could see that person was right even then. Time has given greater credence to that argument.

9 posted on 04/24/2004 11:10:04 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for president Bush IS a vote for principle.)
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To: little jeremiah
I suppose we could all just play pretend and think that everything will turn out all right even if we ignore the stated goals of the homosexual activists.

A very good point. We can see their platform through-out the years here. Years 2000, 1993, 1987, and 1972 are quite informative.

10 posted on 04/24/2004 11:11:44 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: little jeremiah
But isn't that how things got to the present state in the first place?

Perhaps in the narrow sense, but not in the grand scheme of things. The reason "things got to the present state" was probably: (a) the success of the women's liberation movement that made a resurgence of societal homoeroticism inevitable; (b) the steady decline of the Christian influence due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality.

The "gay liberation" movement is just a function of the first phenomenon (particularly of the feminist dismantlement of the intergenderal social compact) and its swift acceptance by Western civilization is a function of the second phenomenon (and part of much broader trend toward rejecting the vestiges of Eastern doctrinaire cultural imposition and reverting to the the Classical rationalist, syncretic norms).

11 posted on 04/24/2004 11:15:44 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: scripter
"Justice Scalia in his dissent wrote, almost prophetically, that Lawrence could lead to gay marriage."

Of course Justice Scalia was right. He is almost always right. Many people made the same prediction at the time. But unfortunately, too many people don't listen.

12 posted on 04/24/2004 11:21:47 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for president Bush IS a vote for principle.)
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To: scripter
In my personal view it's an inevitable and inexorable confluence of societal and economic factors that is a waste of time to oppose (not that I would fault anyone for trying). Unless one is willing to reverse the entire directionality of Western society across an array of trends, then it's impossible to parse out the realm of homosexuality over the long run.
13 posted on 04/24/2004 11:22:09 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
the steady decline of the Christian influence due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality.

Thank you. Speaks volumes.

14 posted on 04/24/2004 11:22:27 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: hunter112
I do not consider the article to be scare-mongering. Canada used to be farily easy-going and tolerant until political correctness took over. The fact that the United States has stronger Constitutional protections does not mean we are immune to throwing away freedom. Just in the past year, the Supreme Court approved campaign finance reform -- they plainly said that peaceful political speech can be banned in the name of a vague idea of fairness. We are already well on the road for Constitutional protections to be thrown away over every strange politically-correct notion.
15 posted on 04/24/2004 11:23:23 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: scripter
Well, yes. It is meant to speak volumes. Care to specify which volume in particular you're alluding to? =)
16 posted on 04/24/2004 11:26:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
But unfortunately, too many people don't listen.

They don't listen, don't care, are blinded to the bigger picture, etc. It's really sad. I've decided to pull no punches and just present the facts. If folks want to continue living in ignorance they only have themselves to blame and will, someday, answer for their ignorance, one way or the other.

17 posted on 04/24/2004 11:30:04 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: AntiGuv
It tells me from where you're coming and I'm not interested.
18 posted on 04/24/2004 11:30:43 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
My personal views are irrelevant to the validity of the statement, which is self-evident. The decline of Christianity is clearly related to its divergence from the social reality that Western civilization has increasingly embraced and from the scientific reality which is commonly held as accurate. If you think it's declining for a different reason, by all means feel free to let me know.

Even if Christianity is not declining due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality, the overall comment itself is not any less valid due to that (which is why it's in parentheses ;)...
19 posted on 04/24/2004 11:37:28 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
Your worldview is made obvious by the statements you make, statements I find ignorant, baiting and a waste of time to respond to. If I want to bang my head against a wall I'll let you know.
20 posted on 04/24/2004 11:45:05 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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