How same-sex marriage threatens liberty

WorldNetDaily ^ | April 24, 2004

[scripter]

Ping.

[hunter112]

Please, no more use of "its happening in Canada" as a justification for anything. Canada might seem like "USA Lite" to many who live south of their common border, but in reality, our Constitutional rights were a reason for our being, theirs were an afterthought.

I was adopted as an infant, from a home for unwed mothers in Canada, and brought to the US by good people from Indiana, who not only gave me the gift of a family, but the most precious gift of American citizenship. My very earliest childhood memory is that of getting handed a 48-star US flag from a judge at the age of three and a half.

There's a difference between living in a country that fought for its freedom (still continues to fight for the freedom of people all around the globe), and one that simply waited for the British to get tired of the weather and leave of their own accord!

[scripter]

...outlaw parts of the Bible as hate speech and could criminalize individuals in organizations that teach that same-sex contact is immoral.

But the Metropolitcan Community Church doesn't believe the Bible condemns homosexuality. <\sarcasm>

[scripter]

We'll just have to disagree that the U.S. is slipping in the same direction.

[AntiGuv]

What is incredible is the speed at which our culture has moved on this issue.

Not incredible at all. From a historical standpoint, societies have often moved quite abruptly in either direction (from embracing to rejecting homosexuality or from rejecting to embracing homosexuality).

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Coming to a Theater Near You Alert.

Some say it won't/can't happen here. Well, what about all the other increments that couldn't happen here, and are now what passes for reality?

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

I suppose we could all just play pretend and think that everything will turn out all right even if we ignore the stated goals of the homosexual activists. But isn't that how things got to the present state in the first place?

[scripter]

We've come a long way in a year. Just looking at the categorical index and how many articles we saw in 2003 - that tells us we've moved at an incredible speed towards embracing a mental defect as something normal. We should encourage homosexuals to seek help, not encourage their lifestyle as a valid alternative.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Some say it won't/can't happen here. Well, what about all the other increments that couldn't happen here, and are now what passes for reality?

Someone I was very close to as a child used to propose the same argument. I could see that person was right even then. Time has given greater credence to that argument.

[scripter]

I suppose we could all just play pretend and think that everything will turn out all right even if we ignore the stated goals of the homosexual activists.

A very good point. We can see their platform through-out the years here. Years 2000, 1993, 1987, and 1972 are quite informative.

[AntiGuv]

But isn't that how things got to the present state in the first place?

Perhaps in the narrow sense, but not in the grand scheme of things. The reason "things got to the present state" was probably: (a) the success of the women's liberation movement that made a resurgence of societal homoeroticism inevitable; (b) the steady decline of the Christian influence due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality.

The "gay liberation" movement is just a function of the first phenomenon (particularly of the feminist dismantlement of the intergenderal social compact) and its swift acceptance by Western civilization is a function of the second phenomenon (and part of much broader trend toward rejecting the vestiges of Eastern doctrinaire cultural imposition and reverting to the the Classical rationalist, syncretic norms).

[TOUGH STOUGH]

"Justice Scalia in his dissent wrote, almost prophetically, that Lawrence could lead to gay marriage."

Of course Justice Scalia was right. He is almost always right. Many people made the same prediction at the time. But unfortunately, too many people don't listen.

[AntiGuv]

In my personal view it's an inevitable and inexorable confluence of societal and economic factors that is a waste of time to oppose (not that I would fault anyone for trying). Unless one is willing to reverse the entire directionality of Western society across an array of trends, then it's impossible to parse out the realm of homosexuality over the long run.

[scripter]

the steady decline of the Christian influence due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality.

Thank you. Speaks volumes.

[Wilhelm Tell]

I do not consider the article to be scare-mongering. Canada used to be farily easy-going and tolerant until political correctness took over. The fact that the United States has stronger Constitutional protections does not mean we are immune to throwing away freedom. Just in the past year, the Supreme Court approved campaign finance reform -- they plainly said that peaceful political speech can be banned in the name of a vague idea of fairness. We are already well on the road for Constitutional protections to be thrown away over every strange politically-correct notion.

[AntiGuv]

Well, yes. It is meant to speak volumes. Care to specify which volume in particular you're alluding to? =)

[scripter]

But unfortunately, too many people don't listen.

They don't listen, don't care, are blinded to the bigger picture, etc. It's really sad. I've decided to pull no punches and just present the facts. If folks want to continue living in ignorance they only have themselves to blame and will, someday, answer for their ignorance, one way or the other.

[scripter]

It tells me from where you're coming and I'm not interested.

[AntiGuv]

My personal views are irrelevant to the validity of the statement, which is self-evident. The decline of Christianity is clearly related to its divergence from the social reality that Western civilization has increasingly embraced and from the scientific reality which is commonly held as accurate. If you think it's declining for a different reason, by all means feel free to let me know.

Even if Christianity is not declining due to its increasing disjunction with empirical reality, the overall comment itself is not any less valid due to that (which is why it's in parentheses ;)...

[scripter]

Your worldview is made obvious by the statements you make, statements I find ignorant, baiting and a waste of time to respond to. If I want to bang my head against a wall I'll let you know.