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To: LanPB01
Again, people are given to hystronics and hyperbole when discussing what is a "snuff" film:

The nastiest of all nasty porn films is the snuff film, where the actress is murdered during orgasm.

There is no need for "orgasm" (most in porn are fake anyway, why should it be a requirement of a film that's primary focus is death?).

...with titles such as Cannibal Holocaust

Actually Cannibal Holocaust is animal snuff. Real animals are tortured and killed on camera for the movie. The footage of people being raped and killed is faked although there may be some genuine execution/death squad footage in the film.

Two men in Germany were recently sentenced to life imprisonment for committing murder while producing a snuff film. It's the first such conviction ever. The men filmed themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman for a snuff film they had hoped to sell in America for $16,000. Frankfurt-based prosecutor Job Tillman says there's a ready market for films depicting violence against women and children -- especially in America.

One of the things about snuff film lore that never gets discussed is that it is always made in "another country" (where life is cheap) or for viewing in another country (where people have perverted tastes and lots of money). Xenophobia and projection always are masked in tales of the snuff trade.

They also discuss animal snuff "squish" films (which I first took to be a variant urban rumor).

In another, a 22-year-old blonde called "Michelle" is shown talking about her hatred of worms, snails and bugs before being shown "squishing" them into the floor.

NBC has been guilty of making the same type of programming and airing it. I seldom watch the alphabet networks and could not believe what I was seeing. On FEAR FACTOR, a blender was filled with live roaches, worms, beetles, and assorted crawling things. It was switched ON until the mess was a fine puree. Contestants who lost a challenge then had to drink a glass of the pulpy mess. Odd that PETA who protests things like Nicholas Cage eating a roach in Vampire's Kiss did not voice outrage to the media about this.

Underground film-makers in Britain and Germany were often less discriminating, he argued. "In Germany there's a big black market for these films and there seems to be no limit to the size of the animal," he said. "They use cats and dogs and also, I'm told, have filmed different kinds of films with horses, which are ridden bareback until they are exhausted then shot dead on camera. I would not do that."

It can get worse than that. Much worse. This example (a text synopsis only) dates back to Belgium in 1974. http://members.aol.com/shockcin/wedding.html (no I have not seen this movie). While some of the footage is reportedly fake, I think one account I read said that the pig is gutted afterwards.

British police have banned a home video of a recent public execution by the Taliban in Afghanistan which shows a man having his head hacked off with a blunt knife. The video, which was smuggled into Britain by opponents of the Taliban and given to the Afghan ambassador in London, has been classified as "obscene". Police are worried that the graphic film, which spares the viewer no detail of the killing, could achieve cult status as a "snuff movie".

Wali Massoud, the Afghan ambassador, had intended to show the film to Government officials, human rights organisations and the public to increase opposition to the Islamic fundamentalist army, which controls nearly two-thirds of Afghanistan. But last week he was warned that if he allows anyone to watch the video, or circulates any copies, he would be breaking the law.

I wonder if this ban extends to the mosques that use such videos to recruit Islamofascists. Or do they get an exception on "religious" grounds? And England does permit "film club" screenings of banned films.

71 posted on 04/25/2004 10:05:48 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: weegee
You are indeed correct about those "reality shows"."Survivor", too, had its own little "shock scene" with a pig.

We could probably have quite a discussion about Britain's famous "video nasties" list, which really only increased interest in the films thereon.

Cannibal Holocaust was one of them, and it is now legendary in the annals of shock/horror films. Its website, for those interested, is here. Rumors still surround that film...one has it that actual cadavers were used (false), and that the director was charged with murder in Italy (true), untill he produced the "victims", alive and well, in court. Nonetheless, he was charged and fined with animal cruelty. His claim at the time was that the native extras used the animals for food.

In both the "reality shows" and in such movies as CH (and there were several like it in the 70s, though none as violent), the effect being sought was shock, not sexual.

The Guinea Pig films also have their own website, and those with a strong stomach can view it at that link. Remember, it's ALL FAKE.

The "squish" films make me wonder just what sort of individual would pay to see such things.

76 posted on 04/25/2004 10:30:46 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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