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New agreement reached in Fallujah
ABC (Australia) ^ | 4/25/04

Posted on 04/24/2004 6:49:58 PM PDT by saquin

A new agreement has been reached between United States forces and Iraqi negotiators in the besieged town of Fallujah.

Under the deal, American soldiers will carry out joint patrols with Iraqi police in Fallujah from next Tuesday.

From that day Iraqis in the town will no longer be allowed to carry firearms.

Iraqi officials in Fallujah will also continue to collect heavy weapons under an arms amnesty that began last week.


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KEYWORDS: ceasefire; charliefoxtrot; fallujah; iraq
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I don't know what to make of this. This is the only place I've seen it so far.

If true, I suspect it means any new offensive will start on Tuesday, under the pretense of these "joint patrols". If the joint patrols go off peacefully, fine, it means our Marines have control of the city. If they are met with resistance, then I guess it means the battle is on.

1 posted on 04/24/2004 6:49:58 PM PDT by saquin
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To: saquin
This entire negotiation BS reminds me of when a person tries to do anything they can not to throw up. You know you're going to have to eventually do it, but you try anything to avoid it.

If Tuesday doesn't work, it's time for Shock and Awe V2.0.
2 posted on 04/24/2004 6:55:59 PM PDT by datura (Time to admit this is a war of Islam versus the US. They are ALL the enemy.)
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To: saquin
I checked also and this is new.
3 posted on 04/24/2004 6:58:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Also, this is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and I have no idea how reliable they are.
4 posted on 04/24/2004 7:00:35 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: saquin; Dog
not sure what to make of this one either. it doesn't fit with alot of the other information today.
5 posted on 04/24/2004 7:01:22 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: saquin
We need to stop negotiating with people WE KNOW will not surrender. I assume these patrols are going to be carried out like a military offensive instead of us just walking into an ambush. We need to move into Fallujah and Najaf with full power. If it causes some uprisings we can put them down with a massive air campaign. I thought we had a policy about not negotiating with terrorist anyway. What happen to that?
7 posted on 04/24/2004 7:02:55 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior ("If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." - General George Patton Jr.)
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To: saquin
I checked Google and they list the story as 5hrs old.

The story below from the US DOD frow 7hrs says something different.

Coalition Following Fallujah Agreement, Enemy Not Complying

What the Australian Broadcasting Corporation is saying is barely possible, but not likely given nobody else has reported this.

8 posted on 04/24/2004 7:07:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
I actually don't see this as any new "negotiation". It seems to me we're committed to taking Fallujah by force. Tuesday is only a little over 2 days away, which is probably when we were going to start the offensive anyway. Part of the aggrement we had with the Fallujah leaders was that joint patrols would happen. We are now holding them to that. If the joint patrols are attacked (which is probable) it shows the insurgents are breaking the agreement. The GC would have no standing to attack us for firing back, in that case. Also, the insurgents will be shooting at Iraqi police, as well as U.S. soldiers.

This may be a brilliant move. It doesn't hamper our ability to go on the offensive on our timetable, I don't think. The joint patrols may be carefully set up bait to shift the blame for violence to the other side.
9 posted on 04/24/2004 7:07:19 PM PDT by saquin
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" no idea how reliable they are."

so-so

sometimes they re-phrase things and make it look like it's a new story, when it's not.
10 posted on 04/24/2004 7:09:10 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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Thanks, it looks like that is the case from my post 9 and everything else I see on the net at this time.
11 posted on 04/24/2004 7:11:03 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
That is my post 8.
12 posted on 04/24/2004 7:11:34 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Another article from a few hours ago:
U.S. attempts to find a way to avoid full-fledged fighting in Fallujah

CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq - Still sweaty and soiled from two weeks of Humvee patrols in pursuit of an elusive enemy, Marine Lance Corporal Don Gray was spoiling Saturday for face-to-face battle with the shadowy resistance fighters who have frustrated U.S. forces.

"If we fight them, we will kill them," said Gray, 20, whose 2nd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment has spent long days and dark nights finding booby traps but few fighters in towns west of Fallujah. "I want to kill them so that we don't have to come back in two months, two years, five years, 10 years ..."

Gray was among hundreds of Marine infantrymen massing at this dusty former Iraqi military base to rest and shower, itching to get on with the fight that in three weeks made April the deadliest month for Americans since U.S. forces set foot in Iraq 13 months ago.

But with ground and air forces in place for attack, it is still uncertain when, or if, an all-out ground assault on this unruly city of 250,000 Iraqis will come.

U.S. officials are still pursuing two other efforts to defuse the crisis short of house-to-house urban combat. On one hand, they are offering millions of dollars to help rebuild the city in an effort to coax Iraqis to join them in disarming the insurgents and policing the city. On the other, they are conducting selective strikes aimed at thinning the ranks of the insurgents.

Early Saturday, Marines called in AC-130 "Spectre" gunships and killed about 30 Arabs at an encampment along the Euphrates River after two people were spotted setting up a mortar.

"I can rubble that city and reduce it to crushed stone and walk over it quickly. But that is not the ideal, it may be the worst thing to do," said Col. John Coleman, chief of staff of the 30,000-strong 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, in charge of military operations across Anbar province, where Fallujah is located. "I don't want to be owning Fallujah with some Marines downtown who are getting potshots everyday because we took no Iraqis with us."

Signs abound at this base of both war preparations and cautious negotiations.

Hundreds of 1st Marine Division infantrymen who have been arrayed across the province rumbled under cover of darkness this weekend into Camp Fallujah, six miles outside the city, turning a portion of the base into a huge parking lot of amphibious assault vehicles, tanks and armored Humvees, their men showering and resting up for their next orders.

Stocks of everything from food and fuel to ammunition and fresh water are being bolstered after several weeks in which guerrilla attacks disrupted supply lines. Fresh fruits and vegetables turned up at the Marine chow hall for the first time in weeks this weekend to help feed the building infantry forces, who have been living on vacuum-packed field rations.

Marine engineers were rolling out razor wire as the finishing touch on a rugged 750-man detention facility to sort out and interrogate suspects captured in any offensive. When the Army was in charge just over a month ago, the prison accommodated 100.

"It's basic, it's not a hotel," said Marine Capt. Chris Iazzetta, 33, the prison camp warden, showing crude 5-by-6-foot wooden plank and chain link cages surrounded by dirt filled barriers meant to keep solitary confinement prisoners alive in a mortar attack.

Senior U.S. officials, including U.S. Administrator Paul Bremer, Central Command chief Gen. John Abizaid and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez visited the camp Saturday. Military spokesmen would not provide details on their discussions, except to say they had not met with Iraqis.

In the same building, other U.S. officials met with Iraqis from Fallujah and Baghdad, trying to get them to enforce an April 19 agreement for residents to give up heavy weapons and hoping they'll persuade Iraqi police to start joint patrols with U.S. forces.

The top U.S. officials did not meet with the Fallujans, whose identities were not revealed for fear of reprisals against them. But Coleman, who was part of the negotiations, said they are enlisting some Fallujans to serve as police, after U.S. vetting.

Marine commanders, who have been studying the city for nearly a year, had hoped to bring peace to this region, which they began patrolling just a month ago, by providing nearly $540 million in reconstruction and quality-of-life improvement projects.

But those projects have been put on hold as the Marines try to pacify a province where they have been anything but welcomed.

While news media attention has been focused primarily on Fallujah, hundreds of Marines have been engaged in search and destroy missions throughout the province. Some Marines describe the task as frustrating.

"One moment you can be driving - and the next moment you see a guy pop up with an RPG or an AK," said Capt. Karl Fritsch, 26, of Auburn, Calif., referring to rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 assault rifles. Still soiled from a two-week search and destroy mission, Fritsch reported his unit had captured one rebel suspect and detected 62 deadly booby trap bombs in the mostly abandoned town of Karmah, a fourth the size of Fallujah.

The Marines have mostly beaten the insurgents when they face them in battle. But the booby traps have proven to be a more implacable problem. A column of Humvees was stopped in its tracks outside Karmah Friday while experts disarmed a series of 155-milimeter shells fashioned daisy chain style on the side of the road.

Meantime, there are daily reminders of two weeks of bloody clashes.

U.S. officials announced Saturday that a Marine, whose name was withheld, died of wounds suffered in an enemy attack eight days earlier.

Navy doctors at the major military medical service here, Bravo Surgical Company, have moved their triage center inside a cement building from a soft cover tent - in case the enemy resumes mortaring the base after a week-long hiatus. Earlier this month, a mortar round killed an Army doctor and medic.

And in a dusty corner of the sprawling base, 14 Marines got Purple Hearts in Spartan open-air ceremonies presided over by Brig. Gen. Richard S. Kramlich, the general in charge of combat services.

Among them was Lance Corporal Jeffrey Scott, 20, of New York, who lost all feeling in his legs for two days after an April 6 mortar attack on his unit as they built barricades against suicide bombers.

The slug struck the back plate of his bulletproof vest, causing his spine to swell, but sparing him permanent paralysis. He kept the slug in the chest pocket of his desert uniform, even as the general pinned the Purple Heart on it. Scott said he would carry it there always, "as a little reminder that I'm not invincible."

There are a couple of tidbits in this story that might lend credence to the "joint patrols" story.

13 posted on 04/24/2004 7:12:53 PM PDT by saquin
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thanks.
IMO, since it's morning in Australia first, I think they sometimes feel obligated to get a story out, even when there's nothing happening.
14 posted on 04/24/2004 7:17:22 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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Uh, WTF... why are we doing this?
15 posted on 04/24/2004 7:18:31 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: saquin
"American soldiers will carry out joint patrols with Iraqi police in Fallujah... Iraqi officials will continue to collect heavy weapons "

This is a disaster in making. When a shooting starts the 'Iraqi officials' will run !

The whole 'scheme' smells like a UN idea...

16 posted on 04/24/2004 7:19:14 PM PDT by traumer
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To: saquin
I don't know. I've been one of the people speaking against this "leveling the city" idea. but on the flipside, any deal has to actually involve surrenders. if we don't see 1000 fighters surrendering, its a bad deal. to just say - "stop fighting and go back to your normal lives while we patrol", isn't going to cut it. I am getting worried here.
17 posted on 04/24/2004 7:19:33 PM PDT by oceanview
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So what if the Iraqis run? That doesn't preclude our use of force.
18 posted on 04/24/2004 7:20:07 PM PDT by saquin
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"might lend credence to the "joint patrols" story."

It does, but it also sounds as if not much has changed.
If the patrols are shot at, that will be it.
19 posted on 04/24/2004 7:22:01 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
Massive air campaign = Al Jazeera going berserk = Arab world angrier than ever = full oil embargo by Muslim nations = much higher gas prices worldwide = you get the picture. . . .
20 posted on 04/24/2004 7:23:32 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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