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SUICIDE SPEEDBOAT ATTACKS - Just Breaking! (Three Boats Exploded)
SKY NEWS ^ | 4/24/04

Posted on 04/24/2004 12:31:17 PM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Either that of he was hit by friendly fire from a boomerang bullet from an Aussie's gun.
61 posted on 04/24/2004 6:23:04 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (We all know Audie Murphy,We all admire Audie Murphy-you John Kerry, are no Audie Murphy.)
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To: deport
Looks like it was built by the French
62 posted on 04/24/2004 7:02:07 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: american spirit
We don't need more boots on the ground in Iraq. We got 3,000 Marines sitting around with their hands tied.

Time for someone with some guts to face the facts that no matter what we do as long as one Sunni and one Sadr are in Iraq there's gonna be a fight.

President Bush needs to pick up the red phone and say "Let's Roll".
63 posted on 04/24/2004 7:12:50 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: areafiftyone
I guess they will use anything won't they?
64 posted on 04/24/2004 7:40:47 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: AF68
Pentagon confirms 2 American servicemen killed and 4 wounded in explosion of terrorist boat.

A total waste of good sailors doing their duty.

Sink the goddamn things, don't board them!

65 posted on 04/24/2004 7:55:47 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Is Fallujah gone yet?)
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To: Jonathan
"The "1945"use of force on Japan, just for example, resulted in a vibrant democracy, a free society, good will and comity towards America to this day, and resulted in LESS deaths than a U.S. invasion (Operation Olympic type) would have cost.

Oh, yes - - a lot fewer of our boys lost their lives too."

I know it, but it is different situation now in Iraq than in "45"in Japan.
Japan started the war with USA and lost it, so they knew that it was their fault, and they were happy that they at least survived.
In Iraq most of people didn't want Husajn, many of soldiers didn't want to fight against USA. We could see in TV happiness of these people when Husajn regime fall.
So why the situation in Iraq is so bad now?
I was (and I am) for the war, but I have to admit, that the situation in Iraq (economy, unemployment, security...) is worse than before the war.
In Japan people knew, that their government had started the war and lost it, so they have to pay for it.
In Iraq people (at least most of them) don't feel guilty, they want to live in normal country.
In my opinion USA government and army made many mistakes in Iraq. For example Iraqi police and army shouldn't be liquidated after the war. Only main leaders and generals should be removed. I think then we could avoid chaos.

You have to remember that no more than 5% of Iraqi citizens is fighting against coalition forces. The rest just want to live in normal country. It's like someone wants to drop "A"bomb on LA or NY, because there live many criminals.
66 posted on 04/25/2004 1:57:04 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
So these islam bas$#% went to bring the fight to the sea.
67 posted on 04/25/2004 2:06:21 AM PDT by Tropicalwatcher
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To: Grzegorz 246
The numbers are EXACTLY the same in the analogy between Bushito/Millitant Japan and Millitant Islam.

No more than 5% of the Japs were the cause of the war. No more than 5% of the millitant muslims are.

Only the utter ruin of the nation involved and the suffering of the "innocent" 95% will totally divorce them from EVER taking up arms against the United States again. Since Islam is a trans-national and trans-ethnic force it will be required to perform this lesson on several nations.

My fear, as born out by tonight's sad headlines that President Bush is "fearful" of the reaction of the Arab street to an agressive U.S. Marine push into Fallujah, is that he does not have the wisdom/guts/intelligence to see this problem through to a military solution.

Either we kill a couple of hundred thousand plus Muslims OR wait for the atomic flash in America that means they did it to us first.

It's a simple choice.
68 posted on 04/25/2004 7:26:08 PM PDT by Jonathan
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To: Jonathan
I have different opinion. Only terrorists should be killed and USA should help normal Iraqi people. Just imagine what would you do if your family were killed just because they lived in the same city together with some idiots fighting with U.S. Army. I think that then you would "take up arms against the United States." Islam... I don't like this word, but you have to remember, that in Middle Ages in Arab countries culture, education or since were much better than in Europe. So it isn't going on about religion. Give me a service(?) and say what you think about this opinion: "Tell you what, you give us back all the property you stole from the 3 million murdered Jewish inhabitants of Poland, and we won't take any more money from the United States. Oh yes, we expect you to return the $9 billion in free planes (yeah, yeah you'll start paying for them in 2009 - sure you will) you got from the US just recently." Especially this fragment : "all the property you stole from the 3 million murdered Jewish inhabitants of Poland." and this article (it is from Israel National News): "Pathologist Andrew Wilkie has been Professor of Genetics at Oxford since 2000. His research, notes Oxford Blueprint, “has focused on the developmental genetics of skill and limb malformations, caused by alterations (mutations) in genes involved in the normal processes of embryonic development (working) closely with the Department of Plastic Surgery at the Radcliffe Infirmary where many affected children are treated. On Monday, June 23, at 9:58 am, professor Wilkie refused Israeli Amit Duvshani’s PhD application to study with him at Oxford University. Here is the letter of refusal: Dear Amit Duvshani,< Thank you for contacting me, but I don´t think this would work. I have a huge problem with the way that the Israelis take the moral high ground from their appalling treatment in the Holocaust, and then inflict gross human rights abuses on the Palestinians because the (the Palestinians) wish to live in their own country. I am sure that you are perfectly nice at a personal level, but no way would I take on somebody who had served in the Israeli army. As you may be aware, I am not the only UK scientist with these views but I´m sure you will find another suitable lab if you look around. Yours sincerely, Andrew Wilkie Nuffield Professor of Pathology, Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine, The John Radcliffe, Headington, Oxford OX3 9DS, UK. Within hours it was seen around the world and, as Naomi Ragen noted in her scathing letter to him, Ah the wonders of the internet. No longer can closet anti-Semites ply their trade under the cover of darkness. Now the entire world knows who you are, as your disgusting bias in dealing with Amit Duvshani is now out there for all to see. Letters poured in to Oxford, not just by members of the general public, but by Wilkie’s own international colleagues, such as Morris Givner, Ph.D., FCACB, FCIC, Professor of Pathology (Ret.) and Associate Professor of Medicine (Ret.), Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., and Bernard Loev PhD of Medford New Jersey, author of 100 scientific publications and book chapters in the field of medicinal chemistry, holder of 198 patents and discoverer of anti-hypertensive drug Nifedipine (Procardia). Prof. Loev has been Vice President of Medicinal Chemistry and Chemical R&D for several of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies, done research with several Nobel prize winners, and lectured in universities all over the world. By Friday, June 27, a spokesperson for the University of Oxford issued a statement: Our staff may hold strongly felt personal opinions. Freedom of expression is a fundamental tenet of University life, but under no circumstances are we prepared to accept or condone conduct that appears to, or does, discriminate against anyone on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, whether directly or indirectly. This candidate is entitled to submit an application and to have it dealt with fairly according to our normal criteria. Professor Wilkie has issued a personal apology regarding remarks he made by email to an applicant for a research degree at Oxford. An immediate and thorough investigation of this matter is now being carried out in accordance with the University’s procedures and a report will be presented to the Vice-Chancellor next week. This tight-lipped apology by Professor Wilkie followed: I recognise and apologise for any distress caused by my e mail of 23 June and the wholly inappropriate expression of my personal opinions in that document. I was not speaking on behalf of Oxford University or any of its constituent parts. I entirely accept the University of Oxford’s Equal Opportunities and Race Equality policies. took place barely a week after British legislator Oona King, London East representative of the governing Labour Party, returned from her brief trip to Gaza to proclaim that conditions there were the same in nature but not extent as Polands Warsaw Ghetto, where Jews were corralled and oppressed by Adolf Hitler´s Nazis. King also acknowledged that it was different in intent. What does that mean, the same in nature but not extent or intent? What made the Warsaw ghetto unique in nature was exactly the extent and the intent. The extent of the persecution and the intent to starve the inhabitants. They even had a name for the walking dead so thin and drawn that everyone knew their deaths were hours away - they were called musselmen. Do they have musselmen in Gaza? My father was so starved he and his friends tried to grow potatoes between the cracks of the sidewalk. Is anyone growing potatoes in the cracks of the sidewalks in Gaza? To get some sustenance he would throw something of value over the wall and on a good day back would come a brick of butter. Is anyone throwing away their belongings in Gaza in the hopes that a brick of butter will come hurtling back? But even more important than how the Jews were treated, is the issue of what the Jews did to incur that treatment. Nothing. How many Polish babies had the Jews of Warsaw shot dead on sight? None. How many Polish children had the Jews of Warsaw mass-murdered in their beds, their buses, their schools, their churches or while they were celebrating holiday rituals? None. Were the Jews of Warsaw bombing Polish commercial enterprises, setting downtown squares ablaze, mass-murdering, maiming, and terrifying the Polish people, shooting at them as they drove by on their way to church and a family dinner, and deliberately damaging tourism, immigration, trade, and the entire economy? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw who had lived there six centuries demanding their own country in Poland? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw waiting until the Poles gathered for a wedding to throw a Molotov cocktail into the room? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw trying to stone the Poles to death? No. Lynching school kids hiking? No. Stealing their cars? No. Smuggling arms shipments? No. In short, the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto were victims. They were not demanding anything of the Poles, they were not harming the Poles, nor were they trying to take their lives or ruin their economy. And exactly how many offers of a homeland had the Jews refused before being corralled? None. The residents of Gaza have refused homeland offers many times, and are engaging in all of the above, smuggling in arms by tunnels and by sea and then using them to mass-murder Israelis completely at random. They hide behind the skirts of ‘collective punishment’ when they are inconvenienced by a roadblock, yet they mass-murder people, taking forever the lives of those whose names they don’t even know. Not all Germans were Nazis, just like not all Gaza Arabs are terrorists. But they are supporting them, just as the German people did. The residents of Gaza, in harboring terrorists, indeed, making heroes of them, have chosen their own destiny and they have chosen a path that requires they be restrained. So they are being restrained just as the Allies had to restrain the Nazis. And Oona King is committing theft - trying to steal the pity and outrage rightly reserved for victims of extreme conditions, for people that are neither victims, nor by her own admission, do their conditions match the extreme ones with which she has chosen to compare them. In other words, the analogy doesn’t fit at all. So why is she attempting to “sell” this particular analogy? Is it because Oona King is the same “in nature if not extent or intent” as Adolph Hitler’s Nazi master of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels? Comparing Oona King to Joseph Goebbels seems ludicrous? It is. Counterproductive? It is. It is almost as ludicrous and counterproductive as Oona King's comparing Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. But the effect is infinitely less dangerous - because Oona King is slandering an entire people, not just an individual. And we immediately see the effect of such dangerous Oona King propaganda in Britain - a society feeling awfully free and easy about indulging in ludicrous, counterproductive behavior against any Israeli, sight unseen, as evidenced barely a week later when the whole world witnessed Dr. Wilkie casually fling a similarly flawed Nazi analogy at Amit Duvshani, and deny him access to his chosen career path, Oxford, because of it. Would Dr. Andrew Wilkie mind if, by the same hyperbole, qualifying, and force fitting, one were to compare him to Dr. Josef Mengele - in nature, if not extent or intent - and then inform him that because of it, his services are no longer needed at Oxford, however he will surely find another suitable lab if he looks around?" especially about this fragment : "But even more important than how the Jews were treated, is the issue of what the Jews did to incur that treatment. Nothing. How many Polish babies had the Jews of Warsaw shot dead on sight? None. How many Polish children had the Jews of Warsaw mass-murdered in their beds, their buses, their schools, their churches or while they were celebrating holiday rituals? None. Were the Jews of Warsaw bombing Polish commercial enterprises, setting downtown squares ablaze, mass-murdering, maiming, and terrifying the Polish people, shooting at them as they drove by on their way to church and a family dinner, and deliberately damaging tourism, immigration, trade, and the entire economy? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw who had lived there six centuries demanding their own country in Poland? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw waiting until the Poles gathered for a wedding to throw a Molotov cocktail into the room? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw trying to stone the Poles to death? No. Lynching school kids hiking? No. Stealing their cars? No. Smuggling arms shipments? No. In short, the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto were victims. They were not demanding anything of the Poles, they were not harming the Poles, nor were they trying to take their lives or ruin their economy."
69 posted on 04/28/2004 8:07:13 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
I have different opinion.

-Only terrorists should be killed and USA should help normal Iraqi people.

Just imagine what would you do if your family were killed just because they lived in the same city together with some idiots fighting with U.S. Army. I think that then you would "take up arms against the United States."

-Islam... I don't like this word, but you have to remember, that in Middle Ages in Arab countries culture, education or since were much better than in Europe. So it isn't going on about religion.

-Give me a service(?) and say what you think about this opinion:

"Tell you what, you give us back all the property you stole from the 3 million murdered Jewish inhabitants of Poland, and we won't take any more money from the United States. Oh yes, we expect you to return the $9 billion in free planes (yeah, yeah you'll start paying for them in 2009 - sure you will) you got from the US just recently."

Especially this fragment : "all the property you stole from the 3 million murdered Jewish inhabitants of Poland."

-and this article (it is from Israel National News):

"Pathologist Andrew Wilkie has been Professor of Genetics at Oxford since 2000. His research, notes Oxford Blueprint, “has focused on the developmental genetics of skill and limb malformations, caused by alterations (mutations) in genes involved in the normal processes of embryonic development (working) closely with the Department of Plastic Surgery at the Radcliffe Infirmary where many affected children are treated.”

On Monday, June 23, at 9:58 am, professor Wilkie refused Israeli Amit Duvshani’s PhD application to study with him at Oxford University. Here is the letter of refusal:

“Dear Amit Duvshani,

“Thank you for contacting me, but I don´t think this would work. I have a huge problem with the way that the Israelis take the moral high ground from their appalling treatment in the Holocaust, and then inflict gross human rights abuses on the Palestinians because the (the Palestinians) wish to live in their own country.

“I am sure that you are perfectly nice at a personal level, but no way would I take on somebody who had served in the Israeli army. As you may be aware, I am not the only UK scientist with these views but I´m sure you will find another suitable lab if you look around.

“Yours sincerely, Andrew Wilkie Nuffield Professor of Pathology, Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine, The John Radcliffe, Headington, Oxford OX3 9DS, UK.”

Within hours it was seen around the world and, as Naomi Ragen noted in her scathing letter to him, “Ah the wonders of the internet. No longer can closet anti-Semites ply their trade under the cover of darkness. Now the entire world knows who you are, as your disgusting bias in dealing with Amit Duvshani is now out there for all to see.”

Letters poured in to Oxford, not just by members of the general public, but by Wilkie’s own international colleagues, such as Morris Givner, Ph.D., FCACB, FCIC, Professor of Pathology (Ret.) and Associate Professor of Medicine (Ret.), Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., and Bernard Loev PhD of Medford New Jersey, author of 100 scientific publications and book chapters in the field of medicinal chemistry, holder of 198 patents and discoverer of anti-hypertensive drug Nifedipine (Procardia). Prof. Loev has been Vice President of Medicinal Chemistry and Chemical R&D for several of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies, done research with several Nobel prize winners, and lectured in universities all over the world.

By Friday, June 27, a spokesperson for the University of Oxford issued a statement:

“Our staff may hold strongly felt personal opinions. Freedom of expression is a fundamental tenet of University life, but under no circumstances are we prepared to accept or condone conduct that appears to, or does, discriminate against anyone on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, whether directly or indirectly. This candidate is entitled to submit an application and to have it dealt with fairly according to our normal criteria.

“Professor Wilkie has issued a personal apology regarding remarks he made by email to an applicant for a research degree at Oxford. An immediate and thorough investigation of this matter is now being carried out in accordance with the University’s procedures and a report will be presented to the Vice-Chancellor next week.”

This tight-lipped apology by Professor Wilkie followed:

“I recognise and apologise for any distress caused by my e mail of 23 June and the wholly inappropriate expression of my personal opinions in that document. I was not speaking on behalf of Oxford University or any of its constituent parts. I entirely accept the University of Oxford’s Equal Opportunities and Race Equality policies.”

‘L’affair Wilkie’ took place barely a week after British legislator Oona King, London East representative of the governing Labour Party, returned from her brief trip to Gaza to proclaim that conditions there were “the same in nature but not extent” as Poland’s Warsaw Ghetto, where Jews were corralled and oppressed by Adolf Hitler´s Nazis. King also acknowledged that it was different in “intent”.

What does that mean, the same in nature but not extent or intent? What made the Warsaw ghetto unique in nature was exactly the extent and the intent. The extent of the persecution and the intent to starve the inhabitants. They even had a name for the walking dead so thin and drawn that everyone knew their deaths were hours away - they were called musselmen. Do they have musselmen in Gaza? My father was so starved he and his friends tried to grow potatoes between the cracks of the sidewalk. Is anyone growing potatoes in the cracks of the sidewalks in Gaza? To get some sustenance he would throw something of value over the wall and on a good day back would come a brick of butter. Is anyone throwing away their belongings in Gaza in the hopes that a brick of butter will come hurtling back?

But even more important than how the Jews were treated, is the issue of what the Jews did to incur that treatment. Nothing. How many Polish babies had the Jews of Warsaw shot dead on sight? None. How many Polish children had the Jews of Warsaw mass-murdered in their beds, their buses, their schools, their churches or while they were celebrating holiday rituals? None. Were the Jews of Warsaw bombing Polish commercial enterprises, setting downtown squares ablaze, mass-murdering, maiming, and terrifying the Polish people, shooting at them as they drove by on their way to church and a family dinner, and deliberately damaging tourism, immigration, trade, and the entire economy? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw who had lived there six centuries demanding their own country in Poland? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw waiting until the Poles gathered for a wedding to throw a Molotov cocktail into the room? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw trying to stone the Poles to death? No. Lynching school kids hiking? No. Stealing their cars? No. Smuggling arms shipments? No. In short, the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto were victims. They were not demanding anything of the Poles, they were not harming the Poles, nor were they trying to take their lives or ruin their economy.

And exactly how many offers of a homeland had the Jews refused before being corralled? None.

The residents of Gaza have refused homeland offers many times, and are engaging in all of the above, smuggling in arms by tunnels and by sea and then using them to mass-murder Israelis completely at random. They hide behind the skirts of ‘collective punishment’ when they are inconvenienced by a roadblock, yet they mass-murder people, taking forever the lives of those whose names they don’t even know. Not all Germans were Nazis, just like not all Gaza Arabs are terrorists. But they are supporting them, just as the German people did. The residents of Gaza, in harboring terrorists, indeed, making heroes of them, have chosen their own destiny and they have chosen a path that requires they be restrained. So they are being restrained just as the Allies had to restrain the Nazis.

And Oona King is committing theft - trying to steal the pity and outrage rightly reserved for victims of extreme conditions, for people that are neither victims, nor by her own admission, do their conditions match the extreme ones with which she has chosen to compare them. In other words, the analogy doesn’t fit at all. So why is she attempting to “sell” this particular analogy? Is it because Oona King is the same “in nature if not extent or intent” as Adolph Hitler’s Nazi master of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels? Comparing Oona King to Joseph Goebbels seems ludicrous? It is. Counterproductive? It is. It is almost as ludicrous and counterproductive as Oona King’s comparing Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. But the effect is infinitely less dangerous - because Oona King is slandering an entire people, not just an individual.

And we immediately see the effect of such dangerous Oona King propaganda in Britain - a society feeling awfully free and easy about indulging in ludicrous, counterproductive behavior against any Israeli, sight unseen, as evidenced barely a week later when the whole world witnessed Dr. Wilkie casually fling a similarly flawed Nazi analogy at Amit Duvshani, and deny him access to his chosen career path, Oxford, because of it. Would Dr. Andrew Wilkie mind if, by the same hyperbole, qualifying, and force fitting, one were to compare him to Dr. Josef Mengele - in nature, if not extent or intent - and then inform him that because of it, his services are no longer needed at Oxford, however he will surely find another suitable lab if he looks around?"


-especially about this fragment :


"But even more important than how the Jews were treated, is the issue of what the Jews did to incur that treatment. Nothing. How many Polish babies had the Jews of Warsaw shot dead on sight? None. How many Polish children had the Jews of Warsaw mass-murdered in their beds, their buses, their schools, their churches or while they were celebrating holiday rituals? None. Were the Jews of Warsaw bombing Polish commercial enterprises, setting downtown squares ablaze, mass-murdering, maiming, and terrifying the Polish people, shooting at them as they drove by on their way to church and a family dinner, and deliberately damaging tourism, immigration, trade, and the entire economy? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw who had lived there six centuries demanding their own country in Poland? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw waiting until the Poles gathered for a wedding to throw a Molotov cocktail into the room? No. Were the Jews of Warsaw trying to stone the Poles to death? No. Lynching school kids hiking? No. Stealing their cars? No. Smuggling arms shipments? No. In short, the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto were victims. They were not demanding anything of the Poles, they were not harming the Poles, nor were they trying to take their lives or ruin their economy."











70 posted on 04/28/2004 8:14:48 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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