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Could a Little Boy Be Proof of Reincarnation?
ABC News ^ | April 20, 04 | ABC News

Posted on 04/24/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Paul C. Jesup
Paul C. Jesup,The question was not if the soul exists but if this person existed.Possession would be the better choice but the clue is who they asked to help him.
141 posted on 04/24/2004 5:49:09 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: CyberAnt
However, since Matthew and John were writing their Gospels directly to the Jews, I would suspect they used Hebrew (or Arabic) instead of Greek.

I believe they wrote in Aramaic, which is what they all spoke in Jesus's circle.

142 posted on 04/24/2004 5:53:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Here is a thread with a pointer to the Aramaic gospels.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087664/posts

I also have the 1851 Murdock translation, in perfect condition, and if there are any verses you have questions about, I might find time to type them in.
143 posted on 04/24/2004 5:56:47 PM PDT by djf
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To: Junior
To borrow a leaf from our creationist brethren on these threads, "lack of evidence is not evidence of lack."


Isn't the lack of evidence the evalutionist's problem?
144 posted on 04/24/2004 5:58:39 PM PDT by mlmr (Significant or Trivial)
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To: Aliska
I have as much a right to be here as you do.

I didn't say you don't......of course you do. But there you go, all defensive again. Something about that just drives me buggy. It's like two people can't have a conversation and one guy says A, and the other guy says B; instead it's, Oh, no -- get away from me, the Bible says THIS instead, and you're going to hell! Stop tempting me! I don't want to be involved in your black magic and diabolical evil! You're going to burrrrrnnnnnnn!!

It's like you have to witness to people that what they believe is evil, if the words that are coming out of their mouths are not scriptural, and if they are not speaking or posting exegeses.

Talk about lightening up -- you could take your own advice.

145 posted on 04/24/2004 6:00:51 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Quix
Perhaps you forget he held Stephen's coat at Stephen's stoning.

Did holding Stephen's coat allow him to see what Stephen saw? Even if it did, it still wouldnt mean it was true, just something that Saul got off of Stephen at that moment in time.

146 posted on 04/24/2004 6:01:57 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: fatima
Your question was "Why is reincarnation a more rational explaination?", not "The question was not if the soul exists but if this person existed.Possession would be the better choice but the clue is who they asked to help him."

Listen to yourself, you can believe that the child can be possessed by an of worldly entity, a demon, but you cannot grasp the concept that the child, or to be more specific, child's soul, actually lived a previous life.

147 posted on 04/24/2004 6:04:02 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Quix; CyberAnt
I dunno about that Latin story about the Gospels, it sounds suspicious to me. You can be sure I am going to research that later.

CyberAnt is correct, the RSV does say:

Hebrews Chapter 9:
[27] And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment,

But that verse is not in the Gospels, and is therefore not a quote attributed to Jesus.

While it may be canonized by the Christian church, it is in the New Testament, and therefore not a firm Jewish belief.

So, someone using that as an argument to me, would be very much the same as someone quoting the Holy Koran to you, and presenting it to you as scriptural Truth.
148 posted on 04/24/2004 6:04:41 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: fatima
Your question was "Why is reincarnation a more rational explaination?", not "The question was not if the soul exists but if this person existed.Possession would be the better choice but the clue is who they asked to help him."

Listen to yourself, you can believe that the child can be possessed by an OTHER worldly entity, a demon, but you cannot grasp the concept that the child, or to be more specific, child's soul, actually lived a previous life.

149 posted on 04/24/2004 6:05:29 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: CyberAnt
Jesus said, "It is appointed once to live and once to die"

Yes but was he talking about a physical life and death or a spiritual life and death? The one spiritual death wont occur until the judgment. Man's soul could take bodily form many times and still not violate Jesus saying if he was speaking of the spiritual death following the 1000 year reign or whatever.

150 posted on 04/24/2004 6:06:55 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: lentulusgracchus
There is a great deal of evidence, and more accumulating in the Quantum world, that we somehow create and maintain our own realities of sorts.
It is even possible that reality is not an absolute, and that multiple people can have different ones.
151 posted on 04/24/2004 6:07:43 PM PDT by djf
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To: RonHolzwarth
oh my

what if you were found wanting in the judgement, and your punishment was you had to go back and try again,,,
152 posted on 04/24/2004 6:11:08 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: RonHolzwarth
like in Daniel, Chapter 5:
[27] TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting;
153 posted on 04/24/2004 6:14:35 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: djf
Hmmm. Optimism and Fealty are survival mechanisms in the transition from Schroedinger's infintity of superpositions to Planck's quantas of perceived existance. Chose life.
154 posted on 04/24/2004 6:17:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Paul C. Jesup,So your preference is reincarnation .
155 posted on 04/24/2004 6:20:57 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: Confed
There is just too much that we don't know or understand to act like there is nothing to this and ridicule it.

Precisely.

I'll be damned if I'll be the one to swear it's not so -- just in case. :-)

156 posted on 04/24/2004 6:23:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TalBlack
"Oh? Does this kid or reincarnation have two religions going back 5000 years based around it and was it fortold in the old testament which is written in a language preserved and still in use today?"

Reincarnation is a central tenet of Buddhism which is far older than Christianity. Pardon me if someone else pointed that out, I didn't feel like reading the 80 or so other comments.
157 posted on 04/24/2004 6:35:58 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Procrastinate later)
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To: lentulusgracchus
witness to people that what they believe is evil

It might be evil. I don't like to see people go down the road I travelled, but they are free to do as they please.

158 posted on 04/24/2004 6:36:13 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: RonHolzwarth
Both positions you offer are false.
159 posted on 04/24/2004 6:42:30 PM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: Flightdeck
re: "Reincarnation is a central tenet of Buddhism which is far older than Christianity. Pardon me if someone else pointed that out, I didn't feel like reading the 80 or so other comments."

Yeah, I pointed that out already. Along with a few other things.
160 posted on 04/24/2004 7:05:56 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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