The Child Support Scam

MensNewsDaily.com ^ | April 24, 2004 | Roger F. Gay

[RogerFGay]

Introduction to the Income-Shares Child Support Guideline

[Hildy]

OK..what was your case.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I remember the Child Support Guideline. I never knew this stuff existed until I got a divorce.

Everytime the government gets involved, the most simple things turn into quicksand.

[RogerFGay]

Divorce issues have been around since forever as far as we know. But as soon as the fed gets involved; the first thing we have to understand is that nobody knew nothin' before the current batch came into office and we have to start making everything up from scratch. Of course, you should ignore the strange man behind the curtain who's pulling in lots of cash from new federal funding sources. It's really for the children.

[TheSpottedOwl]

See, that's another thing I didn't know until recently. The Federal government giving money to states for collecting CS. I thought there was something in the constitution that prevented the Feds from sticking their noses into state business? Lol, yeah I forgot how they beat everyone over the head with highway funds.

For the children? A thought occured to me several years ago when partial birth abortion became known. Until that child fully enters the world and the cord is cut, he/she is yours. After that baby takes his first breath in the delivery room, he/she belongs to the government.

[RogerFGay]

Not only that, but now that the fed has totally destroyed marriage and family as a legal concept, and is forcing it to stay that way with billions in annual funding and intrusive government controls, both candidates are saying it's not their problem because family policy is a state issue.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I'm trying to teach my kids to go back the "the old ways". It's hard to avoid the government, though.

All government is a mess. I posted about something I'm dealing with, somewhere on FR over the weekend. I'm stalling about it, because I know that by the time I get someone on the phone, my phone battery will go dead, like it did last time.

We have to also take into account, that the majority of divorces are ugly. My ex's lawyer lied to the judge about preparing the QDRO. We were divorced in 2001. I had a civil conversation about the transportation problems he and his wife are having regarding all the kids recently, since they've moved. He said his blood pressure was up, and he was on medication. Also, his wife had 3 days of testing at a major university medical center. Now if he kicks the bucket before I do, the youngest child needs to be protected. He needs to take care of that QDRO, so that I can take care of her should something happen to him.

The problem is, if he smells blood he'll use it against me. He's compulsive like that. So I won't be telling him what's going on with me, because I'm supposed to avoid stress. Ha ha.

Well if people could cooperate and behave themselves in the first place, there wouldn't be so many divorces. Isn't it nice that both candidates know how to bounce that ball right back at us? It's a state issue, controlled by the government. Besides child support collection, have you seen the industry that has cropped up from seizing children from their homes? Did you know that the government has put a bounty on each child that can be taken and adopted out?

My bookmarks are a mess, but I think I have it somewhere about CPS, the state, and the government money given for each adoption. I think we're already in the gulag.

[RogerFGay]

Understanding the problem means understanding that courts used to make judgments based on reasonable judgments, what was true. Now that the Constitution has been abolished in relation to family issues, every family related decision is politically controlled, en masse. That's a very, very bad thing that invited corruption. We've got way too much of that now, and what we must have to fix it is a return to constitutional standards ... including returning family law issues to the control of the states, and family law decisions to the courts to be made in the context of individual rights.

[TheSpottedOwl]

It's a wider problem than just the trashing of our constitutional rights. These problems didn't exist 50 years ago. If it hadn't been for the sexual revolution and the women's movement, the camel wouldn't have been able to get its nose under the tent.

As dreary as this sounds, we need to take personal responsibility for our own actions. I told my son that 5 minutes of "fun" can turn into 18 years of financial slavery, or a nasty STD. If you want to be stupid and play around with drugs, the government can come in and seize everything you own.

Now here's the problem, no matter how anal you are about obeying every law on the books, they make up new ones. Did you know that it's against the law for a minor to carry a lighter? They'll do anything to get you in the system.

Besides forcing changes in the way the federal government has usurped states rights, we must go back to making wiser choices in our lives.

[RogerFGay]

If it hadn't been for the sexual revolution and the women's movement, the camel wouldn't have been able to get its nose under the tent.

The more important history involves years of repeated attempts to get at the Social Security "trust fund" and many decades of people making money out of any kind of government spending. The child supprot enforcement program in effect set up a new "trust fund." Billions and billions of dollars in child support pass through the hands of every Tom, Dick, and Harry on the block. You can bet I wouldn't mind having the interest from deposits on their way through the system. Then there's the actual billions the government spends each year running the system through private companies -- companies that don't have to invest anything and do really do anything -- but take their part of the booty.

[TheSpottedOwl]

The interest! Now I see where you're coming from. I was looking at this from a completely different angle. That's why the Feds are involved. The interest on all that money going to the government. What a scheme!

Lol, I feel pretty silly right now. I have to admit that some of your articles confused me because there was a key piece of information that I was missing.

[RogerFGay]

I don't know why you're involved in this discussion. You aren't interested in the facts, and seem rather dedicated to avoiding the issues.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Why do you say that? I've been looking at the whole thing from a completely different prospective. I'm not financially knowledgeable. To sit and try and figure out the government's way of doing business would be my idea of capital punishment. My friend could see it when I showed him the article yesterday afternoon, though. He's smarter than I am when it comes to this stuff.

I'm part of the discussion to learn, and I learned something. However I think my theories also have some merit. We're not free, and haven't been for a very long time. They've found a way to control us through our children. Pass the tinfoil?

Sorry if you took my post the wrong way, but when it comes to numbers, my mind just doesn't go there :-(