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To: Mamzelle
I invite anyone who is thinking or rethinking neo-conservatism to invest two or three hours of googling and reading--It can be quite an eye-opener. You don't know, yet, of the involvement of neo drum-beaters in the Balkans, how they pushed the US to basically turn over a nation to radical Albanian Islamists. Easy to blame Clinton, but would he really have taken part in the Balkan conflict if he hadn't been pushed? I can't picture Clinton going eagerly to any fight.

Clinton wasn't exactly a Liberal, though, either. He was a crude political opportunist, and while he may have been prompted by Neoconservatives, I'm not sure it's such a coincidence that he launched the invasion the week of Monica's grand jury testimony.

Besides, if Neoconservative pressure was the ONLY thing pushing him, WHY on Earth did he go in without Congress' permission?

Neos never saw a war they didn't like--even if it was completely outside of the interests of the US.

A true Neocon--in the tradition of David Frum--is also incapable of rational thought and respect for opposing points of view. I suspect that deep down, irrational people know their analyses are not reasoned and thus feel threatened by those who might easily shoot them down.

I once called David Frum the Pat Buchanan of the Neoconservative side. I now regret saying that; it was an insult to Pat.

12 posted on 04/24/2004 10:03:14 AM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver
A true Neocon--in the tradition of David Frum--is also incapable of rational thought and respect for opposing points of view.

Make that "dyed in the wool." There are people who would call themselves Neoconservatives who argue in far more reasoned tones than Frum.

15 posted on 04/24/2004 10:24:21 AM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver
re: esides, if Neoconservative pressure was the ONLY thing pushing him, WHY on Earth did he go in without Congress' permission? )))

Did I say he was the ONLY thing?

Do you really believe that's what I meant?

We had Euros and Dems, McCain and Biden all pushing for the Balkan involvement. Now we have to face the fact that we likely bombed the wrong side. The Albanian Islamists are now much more powerful.

Kissenger was a voice against the involvement. Read what Kristol had to say about Kissenger, sometime.

The neocons couldn't have done it without the Dems, the Euros, and some Repubs. But it always helps to have the drums beating really loud.

24 posted on 04/24/2004 11:11:39 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-Neo conservatism)
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