[budwiesest]

This needs a little work:

How on earth the libertarianconservative utopia would work with so many people addicted to various vices socialist schemes is hard to imagine!

When social (ooo, nice name) security collapses you may re-think the libertarian philosphy of limited government. When socialized medicine fails to deliver........aw what the heck, when SOCIALISM fails (again) you'll no doubt be singing another tune. The "Let's saddle our grandchildren with more debt" boogie.

[nopardons]

It's really the Libertarians/Randists who need to rethink their stands.

A little knowledge of human nature,a whole lot more knowledge factual history,and a massive amount of looking at reality as it is,rather than as it is hoped for,would go a rather long way to help you all.:-)

[little jeremiah]

Actually I have quite a libertarian-consistent view about gov't spending. Reduction of 50% would be a good START. It just that the libertarian utpianist philosophy of permitting all manner of vices (not at all consistent with the practice or philosophy of the founders of this country) is very like the wetdream fantasies of adolescent boys.