Drug Makers Hope to Kill the Kick in Pain Relief

NY Times ^ | April 20, 2004 | SANDRA BLAKESLEE

[Monty22]

You vague quote means nothing.

[AntiGuv]

No whining, but I'm shocked you guys are reaching so low.

Oh please. As if pulling things out your ass whenever it suits you is taking the high ground!

Definitely whining.. Ex. #1 Ex #2 :p

[Monty22]

I actually stood up and fought on this thread, and reduced them to shreds. Yet he still claims victory.

This is why it's worthless to bother usually. The dopers don't care what you say, ever. They'll quote wacky lists, pretend to be doctors, and who knows what.

And to note, all this is blatantly right here on this awful thread, which started as a good one too.

[JDoutrider]

Why would one who has never seen a cancer patient suffer a life ending parameter even care?

Have you seen the last gasping breaths of the dying? Give them an aspirin???

Have you, as I have seen the dying patient gasp for more pain medication? I think not.

Please do a little more soul searching my Freeper friend...

BTW, I totaly agree with you about the 2nd Amendment...see my profile...

[Monty22]

I stand by that, you were pulling stuff out of your a$$ and using it as some logic.

Then you quoted a ridiculous pain scale that some computer science person made up.

[AntiGuv]

...which started as a good one too.

No doubt it did. After all, I posted the first comment!

[Monty22]

Well, what about this pain scale you quoted? All your appeals to emotion now fall flat. You quoted some mispelled goofy thing from a personal website as if it was an authority.

And antiguv quoted it.

Pathetic!

[Monty22]

"No doubt it did. After all, I posted the first comment!"

Yep, being a wiseass without a clue.

[AntiGuv]

Oh, don't worry dude. I have no problem with you babbling on and on about how you've "won" when you're making such a foolish spectacle of yourself. I find it really amusing which is why I'm still here. Carry on!

Anyhow, I think nutty comments like yours actually help other people see the light.

[Monty22]

Again, you quoted some nonsense, and I called you on it.

You thought you had something on me to support your agenda, you had nothing.

So it's for all to see, that's true. I'm glad about that.

[nopardons]

I've read almost all of this thread and you're correct.But this was also so on the threads I used to battle them on...they got beaten badly,but still claimed victory.It's their sole claim to fame here and why so few people ever bother "debating" them anymore.

I almost posted to the whiner,who said that hes/she/It was "owed"getting high, because of migraines.I've had migraines since I was 6 and the ONLY thing I've ever wanted,was RELIEF from the pain,nausea,blind spots/auras,and the other attendant symptoms. That's all any "normal",non-doper wants...for it to all just to go away and not come back.

[AntiGuv]

Oh please. Get a clue, fool. The Mankoski Pain Scale is evidently cited by a number of sources, regardless of its origination. The individual who brought it up is obviously familiar with it from whatever perspective, which makes sense since he evidently treats pain in some context.

In any case, I already told you I personally don't care about the scale.

[Monty22]

I have Left Temporal Lobe Seizure disorder.

I get migraines sometimes.

I had my tonsils out, and needed lortab. I also get common sinus infections and so on.

I do not feel entitled to any high. I just want something that'll relieve the symptoms or cure me. I've been prescribed stuff like ambien which DID have a negative effect on me, very nasty stuff.

I'm extremely wary of any pro-drug talk. They think it's fun, but they just don't know.

I also think a lot of people do feel entitled to get high because they have some issue. Well.. It's not true. They have no right or entitlement except to get better.

And that's what this thread was about, getting better without the high. And here comes these guys to say how that's not fair.

[AntiGuv]

Oh, sure. Feel free to show me where I've been "reduced to shreds".. LOL! I am not engaged in some collective action here. The sum total of his replies to me boil down to crowing about how stunningly brilliant he is, calling me a druggie, and whining about getting flak for just wanting a non-addictive painkiller.

[Monty22]

Well, here's the monty scale:

1-7, discomfort, take a lot of aspirin, ibuprofin, and tylenol

8-9 take some vicodin short term

10 severe acute morphine level.

There, now mine and hers are out there. I'm a computer science person, so is she.

Funny how you don't care about the scale once it's shown to be a personal thing.

[Ken H]

You vague quote means nothing.

It was about the treatment of acute stress disorder. Here is the full quote:

"The prevalence of acute stress disorder is unknown but is presumably proportionate to the severity of the trauma and the extent of exposure to the trauma."

"Many persons recover once they are removed from the traumatic situation and given appropriate support in the form of understanding, empathy for their distress, and an opportunity to describe what happened and their reaction to it. Many benefit from describing their experience several times. Drugs to assist sleep may help, but other drugs are probably not indicated because they may interfere with the natural healing process."

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section15/chapter187/187f.jsp

On what basis are you recommending SSRI's at the start of trauma?

[Monty22]

That's nice, we are talking about PAIN relief on this thread. I said if the pain is causing an emotional reaction, go to SSRI's.

That was my point.

I did not mean to say SSRI's are the acute treatment.

[AntiGuv]

I never cared about the scale except insofar as I could prove your pull things out your ass when you're at a loss for a response. Or failing that, you accuse someone of being drug-addled or claim that they're too far beneath you to merit a reply.

BTW, this nutty post I'm replying to is precisely what I'm talking about (the one about murdering the terminally ill was another good one). Keep em coming!

[nopardons]

There are none so blind,as thsoes who will not see!

Your opinion is clouded by ego and blinkers.:-)

[AntiGuv]

BTW, most people DO agree with me in this respect, which is why the current narcotics regime is very close to what I would have it be and certainly not even remotely close to what Monty is advocating.

There are other aspects of my views on the topic of Prohibition that most people don't agree with, but those aren't the topic at hand.