To: ZULU
I think it's more a case of the US military moving outside of it's core competencies. Combined arms is what it is designed to do, and it does it really well. Fighting against a back of crazy no-hopers in a perimeter sh*t-heap like Iraq? With a population as backward as Iraq's? No way!
What I think should be done is declare victory, and bugger off. There is no more dicator, the WMD infrastructure is all broken up, and the other regional dicators know Uncle Sam can come for them anytime it likes. That's a good day's work!
Perhaps it's time to partition Iraq into several states. If our goal is to fight terrorism setting up a Shia state in the Arabian middle east is good start. Most people don't seem to understand that there a variety of types of Islam, and that they hate each other like posion. A big state removed from the glorious Sunni "umma"? You know that's going to attract regional terrorists like poop attracts flies.
For example,Bin Ladin's last message moaned about the "black nights" they would have eradicating the Shia muslims after they get done with us and Israelis. Well fine! Hand the keys to Mullah Sistani and wander off. Let the Sunni Islamists confront a big, relatively rich Shia state in the middle of Arabia. The Sunnis in Iraq would be out of luck, but they've had a good 35 year run of things and had no problem getting all the goodies from holding down the Shias and Kurds.
I'm sure the situation in Faluja would be a lot more interesting if instead of Marines surrounding the city it was a horde of revenge-fueled Shia's wearing their burial shrouds and waving automatic rifles!
For karma's sake, set the Kurds (who are actually a really decent group of folks all things considered) up in a state that will be the envy of Middle East. They've already got a pretty good thing going in Northern Iraq, and they are pretty friendly all things considered. Why not?
To: Threepwood
don't over-react. there are an estimated 50-80,000 gang members in Los Angeles. that far excedde the number of fighter in Fallujah, and all of Sadr's militiamen. And that's just one US city.
Iraq isn't going to be some pacifist nation with everyone running around singing kumbaya. Our own country isn't. We'll meet these challenges.
Losing the Poles would be very bad, they have been an important fighting force over there.
To: Threepwood
Remember the Shiites are predominant in Iran. Allowing the Shiites to take Iraq would then put Iran in charge. And Iran would move on Saudi Arabia instantly. We need to change our tactics.
Fire and Movement. Moab here Moab there. Hit Syria and Iran with a couple of these and they will see the negatives of going against US. Every dead American, 7000 dead Syrians or Iranians.
If they don't let our inspectors in like in Lybia. Tell them we will Nuke em all. If they call our bluff, pooof.
Pakistan next. Give up your nukes or get nuked. poooof.
We don't have time to play cause once these radical muslim scum get nukes - we are the ones that are going to go poooof.
To: Threepwood
"I think it's more a case of the US military moving outside of it's core competencies."
The way things are being handled now, I agree with you. But we shouldn't be handling what is really a military operation conducted for our own security as a primarly human relief and nation-building mission.
"What I think should be done is declare victory, and bugger off."
Had we succeeded in killing or capturing Saddam and his henchmen and totally anhiliating the Iraqi army, I would agree with you here. But it took us months to capture Saddam and his sons and what is transpiring in Fellujah, a place we should have bombed into non-existance, indicates we did NT achieve our objectives. And as far as trying Saddam, WE should be trying and executing his henchment a la Nuremberg, not allowing the Iraqis the priviledge of doing so.
Further, our military presence there is therat to the Iranians, Syrians and Saudis, the chief merhcants of international terror. While those three governments stand, particualrly Iran and Syria, the job is only half completed.
The entire Islamic world - which hates us - is watching what is happening in Iraq. Only by exercizing overwhelming military force against opponents there and using it as a base to destablize Iran and Syrai, will we fulfill Bush's vow of taking the war against terror to all nataions which harbor terrorists.
Clearly, both the Syrians and Iranians are actively involved in Fallujah and with Sadr.
"Perhaps it's time to partition Iraq into several states."
I've said this a number of times. Iraq dosen't really deserve to exist and ost Iraqis have no sense of national sovereignty which is really the problem. We should set up an independent Kurdish State in he north to vex our Turkish "Friends", turn over the Sunni area to Jordan - AFTER we cleanse it of all Sunni nutcases, use Iraq as a base to destroy the Baathist regime in Syria and leave the Syrians to straighten out the resulting mess - ALONE, and engineer a popular uprising against the ayatollahs in Iran and turn over the Shiite territory in Iraq to them.
The advantage to turning over the Sunni territory to Jordan (minus the majority of Sunni activists there) would be to provide a pro-western sate with no oil resources with minerla wealth it lacks in return for their asumption of the Palestinian problem which they would then have the resources to deal with.
49 posted on
04/25/2004 5:13:00 AM PDT by
ZULU
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