[monday]

"We failed to comprehend the incomprehensible - the ingratitude of a people freed from a brutal dictator. "

Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state. America not only stands in their way, but represents everything they hate. Not only was their ingratitude comprehensible, it was virtually guaranteed. If you think Iraqi's deserve any better than Saddam Hussien you are delusional.

[oceanview]

you are watching too much CNN.

If the majority, or even a significant minority, of the country's 26 million people were on the side of the Sadr militia or the holdouts in Fallujah - you'd see a real uprising in Iraq, with 100s of thousand or millions of people in the streets. Our military would be overwhelemed, That is not happening, even though the media is trying to tell you otherwise.

[TaxRelief]

Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state.

Correction. The Iraqi Bourgeoisie does not want freedom and democracy.

Thousands of Iraqis, who were previously members of Hussein's broad ruling structure and personality cult, are currently unemployed or no longer part of local control.

Obviously, they support a religious totalitarian government. It's the only way that they can keep control of the Islamic social structure--control, by the way, which includes annihilation of all non-islamic peoples and suppression of the masses (women, children, non-Muslims, non-Orthodox Muslims and men who do not "toe the line").

[Getsmart64]

"Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state. America not only stands in their way, but represents everything they hate. Not only was their ingratitude comprehensible, it was virtually guaranteed. If you think Iraqi's deserve any better than Saddam Hussien you are delusional."

Do you really believe the drivel you spew or are you just playing Devil's Advocat??...You equate a few thousand??..hundred thousand??...Iraqi's whom support Al Sadr as the Iraqi nation as a whole....quite a few million Iraqi's in the north would just as like to see Sadr dead as same as the few million Iraqi's in the center of iraq would like to see Sadr dead....I don't see 15 million Iraqi's on the news uprising against us but only a few clashes of some hardcore killers....take a chill pill and get some sleep....you'll feel better....

[RusIvan]

Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. They want Islamic law, and an Islamic state. ===

It is thier understanding of "freedom and democracy". If you were at any muslim country you may see that.
I was many time in Uzbekistan. I know thier set of thinkings.
Shariah is thier democracy. They feel good under it.

[ZULU]

"Iraqi's don't want freedom and democracy. "

I'm not sure what the average Iraqi wants. Polls indicte the majority want a democratic state. Large factions of Sunnis want a theocracy and some Shiites under Sadr, supported, aided and abetted by Iran want an Islamic state.
The Kurds apparently do not.

In general, the overwheliming majority of Muslims want a theocratic Islamic state - its what Mohammad advocates in his writings.

"America not only stands in their way, but represents everything they hate."

This certainly represents the thinking of the overwhelming number of Muslims all over the world - incuding a good number of those presently here in America. Once again, the silence or open condemnation of the Islmaic community in america is deafing. At the one point where they had an opportunity to express their patriotism, they have once agin proven Mohammad's axiom that Muslims are Muslims first, last and always. I'm not sure this represents the thinking of all Muslims or the majority of them in Iraq. Islam in general, is at war with the west.

"Not only was their ingratitude comprehensible, it was virtually guaranteed."

I don't agree with that premise. The ingratitude of most Iraqis is expressed by their apathy or fear of retaliation by these radical elements and the latter is due in large part to our failure to smash all resistance utterly - something we most certainly are capable of achieving.



"If you think Iraqi's deserve any better than Saddam Hussien you are delusional."

Personally, I don't give a tinker's damn about what the Iraqi people deserve or don't deserve. WE deserve to live in world free from terrorists and the kind of anti-American lunacy these Islamofascist are seeking to impose upon the west. Any steps we take to achieve the objective of totally destroying these people are fully justified in my opinion. Its self-preservation, and self-preservation is why we got involved in Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place and why we need to expand our efforts against the ayatollahs, Syria and eventually Saudi Arabia and Pakistan -as soon as the lunatics there oust their currrent ruler and seize control of a nuclear capability (a near certainty).

Bush did the right thing by invading Iraq and Afghanistan. The mistake they are making in Iraq is forgetting WHY we went there in the first place and in making one of the potential positive side-effects of our involvement there into a primary objective. Our primary reason to go in there was to get Saddam, destroy his regime and prevent Iraq from remaining a centerpiece in terrorist activities.
THAT is why American soldiers died there and WHY we spent a fortune there, not, as I noted initially in my message, to free the Iraqis and set up a democratic government there.

Once again, I see the fine hand of the U.S. State Department and Colin Powell involving themselves in a situation where the tail is truely wagging the dog.