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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Yes, we like living in communities out here near to our fellow humans.

I can talk to a fellow human being in the house a couple hundred feet down the road without any difficulty. One doesn't need to be able to bang on the wall of the next apartment over in order to have a conversation or a neighbor.

Sprawl living is one the planks of Communism created by Karl Marx, and promoted by the French Socialist Le Corbusier.

A simple desire to have living space actually predates Marx substantially and takes its roots in Jefferson's agrarianism. Meanwhile, a common feature of virtually every 1984-esque "communist nightmare world of tommorrow" book is the densely populated city with people crowded into identical little cube dwellings stacked on top of one another in the middle of an urban wasteland.

157 posted on 04/27/2004 9:09:03 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
One doesn't need to be able to bang on the wall of the next apartment over in order to have a conversation or a neighbor.

I live in a single family home. But my nearest neighbor is just across the shared driveway.

A simple desire to have living space actually predates Marx substantially and takes its roots in Jefferson's agrarianism. Meanwhile, a common feature of virtually every 1984-esque "communist nightmare world of tommorrow" book is the densely populated city with people crowded into identical little cube dwellings stacked on top of one another in the middle of an urban wasteland.

If sprawl were a reflection of a desire for living space, it would be people moving into the countryside to live on farm-sized plots. On the contrary, it is a consciously dictated outcome of a number of building and engineering codes intended for a specific social purpose - soceital atomization, and thus the neutralization of the public square.

It took government diktat to create sprawl. At no time before the widespread adoption of zoning, fire, and highway codes was this a method used for constructing the human habitat in our free enterprise system. Before then, it produced cities and towns, and it produced countryside. Early suburbs were mixed use lower density urban communities. Its easy to tell them apart visiaully and on maps from modern sprawl construction. My neighborhood is one of them - single family homes and twins spread out a bit but clustered near to our local business strip, churches, and train station.

"densely populated city with people crowded into identical little cube dwellings stacked on top of one another in the middle of an urban wasteland"

The chief stroke of genius in getting America to adopt the Communist urbanform has been the addition of prosperity to this commuist nightmare world. Instead of identical little cube dwellings, Americans were given identical large houses fitting to their wealthy status in the world. Instead of an urban wasteland, a suburban wasteland, where it is impossible to go anywhere without a car. Implements of freedom, like the personal home and personal automobile, are turned into necessities, which means they are not freedoms at all. The personal freedom offered by a car is the ability to choose to use it or not. If everything you do requires its use, you are tied down to it, and you serve it and work for it, rather than it being your tool. Same thing with a house. If your choices of living are a number of essentially identical suburban houses situtated in identical situations, you've got no real choice at all. The property tax ensures that any attempted escape to the real countryside beyond the suburbs soon comes to an end by making the ownership of sufficient land too onerous to bear.

There is nothing so regimented as the new suburbs with their homeowners associations and three car garages and their absence of places of worship and business.

Karl Marx's vision was of a prosperous society, not a poor one. There is no reason Communism cannot be imposed through prosperity. It is in fact its original ideal. This is exactly what the Communists want you to miss as they more and more tightly bind down our society from having any freedom of choice at all in matters of economics, living, and business.

158 posted on 04/27/2004 9:31:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: GOPcapitalist; Hermann the Cherusker
157 - "Meanwhile, a common feature of virtually every 1984-esque "communist nightmare world of tommorrow" book is the densely populated city with people crowded into identical little cube dwellings stacked on top of one another in the middle of an urban wasteland."

Ah, this was not a story, it was a fact of the Communist East Berlin - Row after Row of identical grey concrete 20 story tall apartment buildings. It was amazing, like going into a concrete block storage yard, and a concrete block plant.

And Herman would have loved it - no cars. Empty streets, void of traffic except for a few trucks, and everyone going by mass transit.

Lovely place. Herman's ideal.
171 posted on 04/27/2004 10:19:07 PM PDT by XBob
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