[man of Yosemite]

We see what the UN did when they were hit in Iraq, they ran like hell to the safety of the USA. Where will they run to if these same people hit them in New York? Maybe next time it's the UN building with a plane through it. Eventually, someone has to have the huevos to stand up and say, "You know what? You're going to die for what you did." All the meetings in the world are not going to disarm the terrorists.

[Spotsy]

You got it Man of Yosemite! The terrorists and other assorted bad guys don't give a hoot about international bodies full of lofty ideas. Moreover, laws are for law-abiders.

The Libs believe that there is no right and wrong, just differences of perception. So how does this translate into a policy agenda? It doesn't, that is why the Libs are floundering here in the US.