Betaille; CatoRenasci; TonyRo76; Papatom; chuckwalla
I would like to ask you folks a question: how do you reconcile you're proposed actions regarding Muslims with the principles our country was founded on?
It angers me when people such as yourselves are willing to throw away all the sacrifice and noble effort that has made our nation the best in the history of the world. We are better than the Taliban, we are better than the Saudi royals, and we are better than Hamas because we are DIFFERENT than them. The things you are proposing would change that.
When you fantasize about gun owners "going after" Muslims, propose kicking them out of the U.S., or advocate starting a new crusade, you are betraying the ideals of our country. Not to mention the rule of law. (BTW, the whole Crusade thing? What the hell century do you think this is?)
I am eager to hear how you reconcile your positions with the spirit of our country.
My reply:
I don't fantasize about gun owners going after Moslems.
I do think that unless Moslems living in the United States and the Western democracies are willing to assimilate and truly give their allegience to the classical liberal premises of our polity: separation of church and state, religous tolerance (and I don't mean Moslem notions of dhimmitude), capitalism and individual liberty, they should not be here. The sort of medieval customs of forced marriage, honor killings and the murder of apostates must be expressly eschewed. Moslem citizens of the Western countries and the United States must become ACTIVE in assisting the federal and state police authorities against Islamist terrorists. They haven't to date.
In a war, and I believe we are in a war, sometimes civil liberties are infringed. Even Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War. I regret it, but I do believe that Moslems in America (and Europe) must make a choice whether their primary loyalty is to the Constitution of the United States or to some pan-Arab Islamist dream of a world dominated by Islam in its current form: which means mistreatment of Christians and Jews -- there is no religious freedom in Moslem countries -- the murder of apostates, medieval laws and an intellectual backwardness that astonishes anyone who truly understands it.
If Moslems here cannot in deed, not just word, be firm supporters of our secular democracy, they cannot object it society, in order to defend the liberty of all, removes them from the society until the war is won.
The record to date, both here and in Europe, suggests that many Moslems here and there actually support Islamism, and that the vast majority is unwilling to do anything to aid the government in the prevention of terror here and abroad.
Cheers,
Cato