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Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 19, 2004 | John Solomon

Posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:06 PM PDT by RippleFire

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To: TonyInOhio
Wow! I'm going to buy that book.
341 posted on 04/19/2004 9:44:17 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: MHGinTN
If my memory serves, Strassmeier was linked to al Qaeda by the Czechs to the Germans, for intel follow up purposes. I think I read that somewhere a couple of years ago when the Atta to the Czech Republic meeting with the Iraqi agent was bouncing around the Net.

It gets better,m or worse, depending on how you look at it. But since you mention Mohammed Atta, guess where he turns up again:

March 30, 1997
Electronic Telegraph Issue 674

Dennis Mahon must lead a charmed life. The FBI has pursued endless leads into the 1995 Oklahoma bombing, collecting more than 26,000 witness statements. But it has never been to visit him at his bungalow in Tulsa. The omission is curious. Mahon, 47, is an associate of the government's chief suspect, Tim McVeigh. Indeed, McVeigh's defence team says Mahon sent a tape to their client in prison urging him to accept his "sacrifice" and reminding him in a subtle way that members of his family were vulnerable. Before the bombing on April 19, 1995, he was the subject of a terrorism investigation which generated allegations that he was plotting to blow up a federal building in Oklahoma. In case the authorities had overlooked this, an undercover informant reminded the FBI two days after the bombing that she had told them that Mahon had made three trips to Oklahoma City. On one visit in 1994, the informant said he "cased" the building that was attacked. A former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and now a leader of the more militant White Aryan Resistance, Mahon has never made a secret of his extremism. He has called for the overthrow of the United States government by "any means" and regards it as an honour to have been barred from Britain and Canada. "I always deliver my bombs in person, in disguise," he said mischievously. "I can look like a hispanic or even a Negro. I'm the master of disguise." He has kept his sense of humour, despite being the chief target of McVeigh's defence team in the trial that starts tomorrow. McVeigh's lawyers have introduced documents in court asserting a "high probability" that Mahon and his friend Andreas Strassmeir, a former German army officer, were behind the Oklahoma bombing. "This is where I make my bombs," he said, giving me a tour of a workshop attached to his house. "Just kidding. Everybody seems to think I did the bombing. Even the Iraqis think I did it," he explained, saying he had been on the Iraqi payroll as a propagandist for more than three years. "They paid me $100 a month."

May 7, 2002

Fox News O'Reilly Factor
- Interview with Larry Johnson, Terrorism Expert

The O'Reilly factor interviewed Larry Johnson, formerly of the CIA, who revealed that the identity of John Doe #2 in the Oklahoma City bombing to be Hussain Al-Hussaini, a former member of the Iraqi Republican Guard Guard. He worked for Samir Khalil who was linked to the "charitable" organization "The Holy Land Foundation" which was declared by the Bush administration to be sending funds to terrorists. John Doe # 2 was seen with Timothy McVeigh three days before the OKC bombing, the morning of the bombing, getting out of the Ryder truck after it pulled up in front of the Murrah building, and he was seen driving away from the building. In 1996/1997 when he left Oklahoma City Al-Hussaini went to work at Logan airport in Boston from which several of the September 11, 2001 hijackers left. McVeigh's accomplice, Terry Nichols, an unemployed guy, made several trips to the Phillipines with unexplained sources of cash (See the book 'Others Unknown' by Stephen Jones, McVeigh's original attorney) where he was associated with Osama bin Laden's Al Quaeda organization, Abu Sayyaf. Additionally, the owner of the motel in which McVeigh stayed prior to the bombing of the Murrah building reported to the FBI that three of the September 11, 2001 hijackers attempted to book rooms at the motel in late July or early August 2001 telling him they were taking flight training. These were Mohammed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Zacarias Moussaoui, who is presently in Federal Custody as the possible 20th hijacker.

342 posted on 04/19/2004 9:44:35 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
What are the infamous white vans? So much I don't know....
Some are said to be INS or Bureau of Prisons vehicles. Hundreds of them


Just a guess......??????????

The vans are there to take away all the Christians and conservative like minded people, some where to be line up and shot, by the command of the evil liberals.

And liberals our thinking.............
HEHEHE And they(conservative) think it just a conspiracy theory.
343 posted on 04/19/2004 9:48:10 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: PhiKapMom
It smelled bad because the OK City bombing was the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment for anyone to the right of Hillary. There were investigations scheduled into Waco and Ruby Ridge. There was gathering momentum in an effort to repeal the AWB, not just let it sunset. Things were swinging to the right.

Blaming it on "right winged domestic extremists/terrorists" really, really worked.

The people who were talking about cattle deals, the slaughter at Waco, Vince Foster and other Arkansides, Whitewater, etc. were effectively muzzled as "extremists" after OK City, the "tinfoil hat crowd" --at least as the sheeple viewed it.

NOBODY WANTED TO EVEN DISCUSS IT--THEY LOOKED OVER THEIR SHOULDERS AND CHANGED THE SUBJECT, OR LAUGHED NERVOUSLY AND SLIPPED AWAY.

Even a relative who worked for a federal agency looked at me as if I had lost it when I suggested that there must be more to this than we hear in the news.

THank God this is finally coming out.

344 posted on 04/19/2004 9:50:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: RippleFire
Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols.

This, I have to see.

345 posted on 04/19/2004 9:53:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: archy
Frankly, I don't think tinfoil is called for ... IF the 911 commission was really dedicated to making America safer from terrorism, Jamie Gorelick would be under indictment right now and the FBI would be pulling every iota of data on OKC, TWA 8oo, the Egyptian Airways flight off the CA coast, and the 1993 WTC bombing, to connect whatever dots are there regardless of which administration dropped or punted the ball down the road. Truth is, the commission isn't for that purpose and the dnc has been revealed (via those leaked memos Sean Hannity aired months ago) to desire to create a 'watergate-esque' indictment of this administration, so that's the real motivation behind at least half of the commission boobs doing the investigating! The sleazy criminal enterprise clintons are still running the dnc. They will be the death of this Republic due to the somnambulent democrats who don't want and will not believe the truth of these criminals.
346 posted on 04/19/2004 9:57:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Piranha
And why did Ashcroft rush to execute McVeigh? I don't understand that part at all.

That is the $64k question. I don't think it was Ashcroft who hurried things up though. I sure happened fast considering it was someone who could have yielded so much information.

347 posted on 04/19/2004 10:01:30 PM PDT by Sender (Gorelick Knew!)
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To: archy
I think we both know that the gov't could extract every bit of information Zacarias Moussaoui has in his twisted murderous brain, if they actually wanted to know the facts. They don't and that infuriates people like me because it shows what a sham this 'investigative' crap is.
348 posted on 04/19/2004 10:01:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Piranha
Again, why do we need a special commission? If there is additional information, why doesn't the Bush Administration, which should have no axe to grind, re-investigate by itself?

If the Bush administration had launched an attack on Clinton policies, it would have been easily dismissed as partisan politics, decried as unfair by the mainstream press, and immediately ignored.

By letting the Dems light the torches and collect their rudimentary farm implements, this has given them the feeling (those are important, feelings) that they were going to hang Bush out to dry before the election. They even stacked the panel.

By giving the Dems (and the media) all that rope, and letting things gain momentum, the media can't just pull the plug. By dropping the bombshell of the Gorelick memo, and the rest yet to come while things are rolling, more people are paying attention who might not have been otherwise.

There is the added benefit that the Dems wanted this, stacked the panel, and now it has backfired. This is a Texas prizefighter defending himself in a bar brawl. They took the first swing. IMHO a lot of worms will be out of the woodwork before this is over.

349 posted on 04/19/2004 10:05:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: Sender; Piranha; archy
Your# 347.......

And why did Ashcroft rush to execute McVeigh? I don't understand that part at all.

That is the $64k question. I don't think it was Ashcroft who hurried things up though. I sure happened fast considering it was someone who could have yielded so much information.

This would make a 'whole' new thread by itself.....?

Cuba?

350 posted on 04/19/2004 10:07:13 PM PDT by maestro
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To: sissyjane
Do any of you remember part of the backstreet, hushed up coverage on OKC bombing (by that i mean NOT mainstream) abot all the FBI or other Fed. agents stationed in the Murrah bldg. somehow being absent or out in the street just at the time of the bombing, and how experts (who were shut down by the govt.) explained that the car bomb could not have caused the blast in the manner it happened? There had to be explosives and plenty of them, inside the bldg. This was no conspiracy nut scenario, but explosive experts showing the physics of the explosion. I have marked the J. Davis site for further reading.

As someone else said, I really do realize this was talk radio's fault, so all else is speculation.

Wouldn't you like to see the real buzz on OKC, TWA, Vince Foster, JFK, see the light of day. And a long list of others--including Ron Brown's fateful plane crash.

vaudine
351 posted on 04/19/2004 10:08:25 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Sender
I sure happened fast = It sure happened fast
352 posted on 04/19/2004 10:10:09 PM PDT by Sender (Gorelick Knew!)
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To: Lael
Precisely the impression I got. Escalating (but deniable) attacks until finally...one which overwhelmingly and undeniably is an act of terrorism. No way to call it an accident. Unfortunately, it took that to overcome the sheeple's complacency, even while they looked askance at those of us who never bought the 'official' stories after the other attacks.
353 posted on 04/19/2004 10:13:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: RBroadfoot
"Why would Clinton cover up Muslim involvement in the OKC bombing?"

I think more along the lines of...its already done, why scare people or make them think we were lax or inattentive, or that we are really, really vulnerable, when we can stick this on these white trash peons and make a good case of it?

if a football player gets tackled especially brutally, he will get up right away and grin...never wants the enemy to think he is hurt...

same with OKlahoma and I believe also the TWA800.....

we didn't want the terrorist to think we had been hurt too bad.....

and we didn't want the American people to get "upset"...afterall.....the elections and all....got to put a happy face on.....

354 posted on 04/19/2004 10:14:22 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Jim_Curtis
If there was bone marrow, there was DNA.
355 posted on 04/19/2004 10:17:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: eno_
I'm not a Bircher, but I read much of this information in The New American years ago, when people who talked about a middle-eastern connection to OK City were called "Kooks", when those who said flight 800 was shot down were "nuts".

Given that they have been right about this much (and much more), as improbable as it may have seemed, maybe the rest of their (JBS) 'kookiness' merits a serious second look.

356 posted on 04/19/2004 10:24:36 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: MHGinTN
The JBS pointed out the Strassmeier connection to McVeigh and Nichols through Eloihim City within a few months after the Bombing. I did not know of the ALQuaeda connections that Strassmeier had (although I suspected something like that).

IT was the Eloihim City connection that let the Feds blame 'right wing' extremists, although Strassmeier was left out (for obvious reasons). Kinda like blaming a restaurant because you had a meeting there, although that bunch are extreme, even by my Constitutionalist standards.

Carol Howe was the (denied by the) BATF informant who produced the data.

357 posted on 04/19/2004 10:30:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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To: RBroadfoot
I may be naive, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to think that he kept such a hideous conspiracy secret to his execution? What did he have to gain by keeping quiet?

As it's worked out, both of McVeigh's sisters, Jennifer and Patty, are still alive. I suspect that was at least a part of the deal. And if anything ever happens to them, a suicide, hit-and-run accident, a plane crash or a death during the commission of a robbery, just as examples of things that have happened that have happened to other OKC witnesses, then don't be too surprised at a release of additional information on Mc Veigh and who he thought he was working for- Andy Strassmeier was reportedly escorted out of the US across the Mexican border by federal agents two days after the bombing, and had been followed and reported entering a BATF office through an *Employees Only* entrance that required ID passcard access.

But the anniversary of McVeigh's execution is also coming up on 11 June. Perhaps we'll see a bit more by then.

358 posted on 04/19/2004 10:32:50 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
You notice not a lot of the people that throw around their usual "tin foil" defense phrase, didn't show up on this thread. I'm confident that many actually were here, reading intently.

That being said, if they come up with an actual video tape of people exiting that truck, I will be absolutely blown away.

359 posted on 04/19/2004 10:36:11 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: RBroadfoot
And how do you KNOW he was executed? If he was, maybe he was told he wouldn't be, really, that it would just look good, and he'd be given a new face, new ID, ETC....

Sound crazy? So did the rest of this a couple of months ago to most folks.

360 posted on 04/19/2004 10:39:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Mischief! Thou art afoot. Take thou what course thou wilt. (Othello))
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