[epigone73]

Yes, she appears to be, in a sense, dealing with the same question.

but, let's not kid ourselves about where our civilization is heading. The rot set in probably as early as roger bacon, certainly with old francis bacon; machiavelli and hobbes, et al.

And yes, you Larouche louts, i am a straussian student of a student of strauss.

[cornelis]

We won't kid ourselves, but Plato was right at the end of the Symposium.