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To: Right Wing Professor
A replication cannot be a valid attempt if the workers do not start by immersing themselves in the context in which the original protocol is established. This just did not occur with CF.

Valid criticisms of Fleischmann and Pons early work existed because they were not ready for prime time. They did not have pre-prints available at the time of the announcement, which was a real violation of scientific ediquette. Initially, there was a lot of optimism from some well known scientific figures. 4/10/89 issue J. of Electrolytic Chemistry carried their first published article, which contained a number of errors. The pre-print of that probably had even more errors. Add a lot of noise from re-faxing, and you had a document that was a formula for frustration. The corrections published in a subsequent issue of the same journal only partially quelled the anger that boiled over at a press conference where it was apparent that many of the critics had not read the corrections. F & P made the mistake of making the experiment seem easy, but to them, immersed in the relevant techniques for so much of their careers, it was not that hard of an experiment.

It is understandable that in the furor over the many immediate failed replication attempts, that the work would be rejected in toto, particularly because of the lack of neutrons. However, an assessment of how the politics and publicity played into the events of 1989 gives pause to consider that such rejection might have been premature, as two Physics Nobelists, Schwinger and DoE Energy Research Advisory Board cochairman Norman Ramsey expressed. Ramsey actually threatened to resign from the board if their condemning conclusions against CF were not softened.

Quoting Mallove, "If scientists increasingly feel threatened by accusations of fraud, when they may have only committed honest error, all science suffers," then Mallove quoting Petsko, "What is needed is a decriminalization of error. Science often advances on the strength of theories that turn out to be incorrect, for a wrong hypothesis can produce many excellent experiments."

In this instance, it is prejudice to fail to reconsider, given what we now know about events of 1989 and the growth of supporting data.

Oppenheimer, Fermi and Feynman gained perhaps the majority of their renown because of the success of the Manhattan project. The comparison to the Manhattan Project is to counter the slander that there exists some tribe of ignorati who haven't gotten it yet that CF is dead. These researchers are highly qualified people making serious sacrifices in their career progress to pursue CF. They are many, and there are many who are sincerely interested, but remain anonymous.

The double helix had plenty of prior genetic underpinning. It fit very well into the existing paradigm. CF seems to shake the foundations of much received wisdom. The QM revolution followed on the heals of general relativity. The dominant physical paradigm had not had time to ankylose.

Look at what Wegener went through with his continental drift theory. Remember Lord Kelvin's opinion that heavier than air flight is impossible? Consider the fate of Semmelweis, correctly identifying surgeons hands as route of spread of puerperal infection. Yet, he could not influence his peers to examine the evidence. They continued to spread disease and death, eventually driving Semmelweis insane, because he knew he was right.

Debunking is a poor substitute for scientific arguments. Science is not defended with ignorance and unwanted knowledge is still knowledge.

So maybe physics is not ready for CF. Too bad. It's too imporant to leave to the physicists.

I respect your opinion, and regret that I cannot provide all the answers desired, but that is why the inquiry is so important.
43 posted on 04/19/2004 9:34:03 PM PDT by Waldozer
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To: Waldozer
So maybe physics is not ready for CF. Too bad. It's too imporant to leave to the physicists.

Probably because CF is bogus?

44 posted on 04/19/2004 10:11:30 PM PDT by Penner
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To: Waldozer
A replication cannot be a valid attempt if the workers do not start by immersing themselves in the context in which the original protocol is established.

You lost me. This is science, not postmodernism. Experiments should be described so as to be replicable to the average worker in the field. We don't look for 'context'.

Oppenheimer, Fermi and Feynman gained perhaps the majority of their renown because of the success of the Manhattan project.

Nonsense. Feynman was a nobody after the Manhattan project. He won his fame later. Oppenheimer and Fermi are both better known for work done before or after the project.

With 15 years under their belt, the Nobel-quality researchers working on CF must surely have come up with some from of reproducible, optimized protocol by now, surely?....some sort of unambiguous demonstration that anyone can set up in his lab that will reliably and unequivocally show fusion is going on? I await the demonstration.

45 posted on 04/19/2004 11:49:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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