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About past lives ... Uniontown WW II flyer's memories in Louisiana boy (weirdness alert!)
DAILY COURIER ^ | Thursday, April 15, 2004 | Judy Kroeger

Posted on 04/18/2004 9:25:39 AM PDT by musical_airman

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To: mikegi
Yep, that's fair . . . Plus it looks like his grandma is a past lives whacko and who knows what kind of nonsense she dumped on him?
21 posted on 04/18/2004 10:02:56 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: musical_airman
The Leiningers plan to attend this year's Natoma Bay reunion and bring their son, James.

I don't know about the memory stuff -- coincidence? power of suggestion? -- who knows. But taking this child to a veterans' reunion smacks of circus sideshow to me. Even assuming Huston's spirit somehow is "within" little James, I don't think it's healthy to foster the idea that somehow he's really some other (dead) person come back to life. He's 6 yrs old, for pete's sake. If his interest in all this sticks, he can certainly wait til he's older and make his own decision about pursuing his "other life."

22 posted on 04/18/2004 10:06:12 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: EggsAckley
My daughter freaked me out several times before the age of 4 talking about stuff that sounded like past memories. I don't believe in reincarnation. Stories like this are real woo-woo's.
23 posted on 04/18/2004 10:15:53 AM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: musical_airman
www.childpastlives.org
24 posted on 04/18/2004 10:31:11 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: mikegi
From the TV program it was said all he ever watched was typical kid's stuff like Barney, etc. The tv program was pretty believable. They interviewed a WWII veteran who was a witness to the "shoot down" and the kid even knew some of the pilot's "buddie's" names. He also knew the WWII pilot's gunner's name. And the WWII pilot's sister believes it and gave the kid some of her brother's personal belongings.

I tend to believe this. The kid's dad said "It's not like I took a two year old, sat him down and said, 'this is the plan'." I think it would be hard to "teach" a kid all this stuff.
25 posted on 04/18/2004 10:36:20 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross
All very interesting, buit one thing strikes me as dubious -- the claim that he was shot down by an enemy plane at Iwo Jima. Weren't the Japs pretty much out of front-line fighters by that stage, in March, 1945? Do any Freepers now the levels of enemy fighter cover in that battle, or figures for U.S. losses to enemy aircraft vs. anti-aircraft fire?

26 posted on 04/18/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: EggsAckley
My step son at age 3 was watching his mom make a cake,and came out with "My other mom used to make cakes, too". Ex just carried on the conversation, and asked what his other dad did. SSon responded with "he was a cowboy soldier". They talked and he revealed that they lived in a log cabin and his dad had let him ride a horse.

Then his attention was diverted, and he never mentioned it again, although we tried to get him to bring it back up.

Who knows where it all came from.
27 posted on 04/18/2004 11:18:56 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy
Japs lost about 8,000 aircraft during the Battle of Okinawa, April-June 1945.
28 posted on 04/18/2004 11:37:44 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: musical_airman
Most of the reincarnation people I've heard claimed
to either have been Cleopatra or Napoleon or something
like that. Not too many have been a poor ragged beggar
on the streets of Catamaran. The few that aren't Cleopatra
but some other person, it's usually always a famous person.
29 posted on 04/18/2004 12:04:32 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: musical_airman
I don't know what to make of this particular story, but whenever you hear stories about people being regressed to past lives, there seems to be a common theme: The person, in their "former life", always seems to have died under violent circumstances, and usually, while participating in some well documented historical event. The person will claim to have once been a Union soldier killed at the Battle of Gettysburg, or a knight killed during the Crusades, or something along those lines. You never hear about a person who is regressed back to a past life, and describes themselves as sitting on the front porch reading the paper, when they suddenly keel over and die from a heart attack.
30 posted on 04/18/2004 12:25:30 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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Arlington Hts. veteran to appear on ABC show

By Jon Davis Daily Herald Staff Writer

Posted 4/15/2004

An Arlington Heights man's memories of a 59-year-old World War II air battle might help prove whether a Louisiana boy is a reincarnated Navy pilot killed in that same raid.

It sounds like something from a tabloid in the checkout line, but believe it or not, this is a story on tonight's edition of "Primetime Thursday" (at 9 o'clock on Channel 7).

The segment features Anna and Bruce Leininger of Louisiana, who are pretty sure their 6-year-old son, James, had a previous life as James Houston Jr. - killed in action on March 3, 1945, over Chichi Jima, a Japanese island near the more-famous Iwo Jima.

Ralph Clarbour, a former Arlington Heights trustee and interim village president, was a 20-year-old turret gunner in a Navy Avenger torpedo bomber participating in a strike on Japanese ships and air bases.

Houston's squadron was providing fighter cover for Clarbour's. And because Clarbour sat rearward, he saw Houston's Hellcat get shot down (one of 13 U.S. planes and five pilots lost that day).

"He provides an eyewitness account of what happened to James Houston's plane that day," said ABC News spokesman Adam Pockriss.

Fast-forward to September 2003, when Clarbour met Bruce Leininger at the reunion of his squadron, VC 83. As Clarbour said, this is "the long and difficult part of the story."

Leininger explained that his son began to have nightmares at the age of 2 or 3, and in explaining them to his parents, James said he thought he was a WWII fighter pilot.

"His dad pooh-poohed the whole thing," Clarbour said. "In order to prove his son wrong, he began investigating the thing."

But Leininger stumbled over the word "natoma," which his son had mentioned. He discovered Natoma Bay was the aircraft carrier whose fighters flew escort for Clarbour's squadron. So in January 2003, he posted a query on the Internet for information about the March 3 raid on Chichi Jima.

Jack Durham, who was the radioman in the one torpedo bomber VC 83 lost to enemy fire that day, saw the query and invited Leininger to the squadron's reunion.

"I kind of just pooh-poohed it, and just confirmed that the pilot was killed," Clarbour said.

"We had already made one run on the bay, and were going around and coming back," he said. "This was our last run. It was the last time that we would go through the bay, and both of the last planes in the flight were hit.

"The torpedo plane in our squadron got hit, but nowhere near as severe as the fighter plane. He went in the drink."

In October, ABC News came to Arlington Heights to interview Clarbour, who remains just a bit skeptical.

"What the true story is, I'm gonna have to watch it, too," Clarbour said.

http://www.dailyherald.com/search/main_story.asp?intid=3809210

31 posted on 04/18/2004 2:09:05 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: musical_airman
WWII story has sheriff's attention

By STEVE SMITH, Times Staff Writer During that mission in March of 1945, Jack Larsen recalled, he felt like he could have "walked down" to the Japanese-held island below him on the streams of anti-aircraft fire which were coming up at him and the other planes making the attack.

Larsen, who now lives in Springdale, Ark., is the uncle of Butler County Sheriff Craig Murphy of El Dorado.

Tonight the author of a book now being written about the ship Larsen served on - one which went on to become of the most decorated ships in U.S. naval history - is scheduled to relate its story on national television.

It is one of the scheduled segments on ABC television's "Primetime Thursday," which airs at 9 p.m. on KAKE Channel 10.

Bruce Leininger, who lives in Lafayette, La., is writing "One Lucky Ship," the story of the USS Natoma Bay (CVE 62).

It's a project which Leininger said came about as the result of "past life" dreams his son began having shortly after his second birthday.

Those dreams would launch him on research which resulted in his discovery of the Natoma Bay - and as he learned more about the ship, he related, "I couldn't believe what I was reading.

"This was one of the most decorated ships in naval history, and no one knew anything about it."

The story of the Natoma Bay was so compelling, he said, that he wanted to do something as a tribute to the 21 men who were killed while serving aboard the ship during World War II.

Larsen (who grew up in the Kansas City, Kan. area and who logged some 60 missions during the war) flew in a squadron of FM2 Wildcat fighter planes based aboard the Natoma Bay.

One of those missions occurred on March 3, 1945, during the U.S. invasion of Iwo Jima in the South Pacific - and, Larsen said, he is now the last living fighter pilot who made that strike.

His target was Chi Chi Jima, which Larsen said contained a major communications facility for Japanese forces.

Also, Leininger said, there was concern about the possibility of ships which were in the harbor at Chi Chi Jima being used to resupply Japanese forces at Iwo Jima.

"We were loaded down with rockets, 250-pound bombs and a full amount of ammunition," Larsen recalled.

Larsen said eight fighter planes from the Natoma Bay made the attack on Chi Chi Jima.

Seven came back - and it was one shot down which Leininger said started him on his journey of research and writing.

Shortly after his son turned 2, he said, he started having recurring nightmares which he was able to articulate better after he had gotten a little older.

In those nightmares, he said, his son was in an airplane which had been shot down by the Japanese.

It had been flown off of an aircraft carrier, he said, and its engine was on fire as it went down.

After a two-year period of research (and after getting a little more information from his son) Leininger said he was able to identify one person whose personal details matched everything in his son's dreams - right down to the ship he was on and the time of the event in which he was shot down and killed.

That person, he said, was James McCready Houston, Jr., who had flown in the March 3, 1945 attack on Chi Chi Jima.

Leininger said his search for Larsen began as the result of his son mentioning the name "Jack" after awakening from one of his nightmares.

In September of 2002, he said, he traveled to California to attend an escort carrier reunion and discovered Jack Larsen was still living.

Leininger said he called Larsen from the reunion and drove to his house about a week and a half to two weeks after returning from the reunion.

Leininger said tonight's "Primetime" segment is also scheduled to include interviews with Houston's sister; the author of a book on the past lives of children; and the gunner in a TBC Avenger from another ship's squadron which flew in behind Larsen and Houston and who saw Houston's plane get hit.

Leininger said he has not yet contacted any prospective publishers, although there has been some interest expressed in having a manuscript of "One Lucky Ship" sent after he gets it finished.

Hopefully, he said, tonight's show will spark some interest among publishers.

Larsen (whose wife is the younger sister of Murphy's mother) said the Natoma Bay was one of the smaller, Kaiser-built "Jeep carriers" of World War II which were actually built on the hulls of freighters.

Larsen joined the Navy on June 6, 1942 and qualified for flight training.

He had turned 18 in November of 1941.

Larsen said his squadron's missions during World War II included flying combat air patrol at 20,000 feet over a fleet of four carriers (his ship was the admiral's flagship for the fleet).

It also provided cover for LST landing ships transporting troops making beach landings, he said, and provided close air support to strike such locations as machine gun nests.

"We strafed and bombed the beaches to keep their (the Japanese forces') heads down," he remarked.

Later on, he said, his squadron would hit designated inland "targets of opportunity."

Larsen spent 22 years in the Navy. After retiring from the military he worked in the enforcement division of the California State Board of Equalization before settling in Springdale.

Larsen said none of the "Jeep carriers" of World War II have been saved, having gone from mothballs to scrap.

In the case of the Natoma Bay, he said, it was being towed - to Japan - but "took a nose dive" before getting there.

http://www.eldoradotimes.com/articles/2004/04/16/news/news2.txt

32 posted on 04/18/2004 2:14:41 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: musical_airman
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/US/reincarnation_040415-1.html

Second Lives

Could a Little Boy Be Proof of Reincarnation?

April 15 — Nearly six decades ago, a 21-year-old Navy fighter pilot on a mission over the Pacific was shot down by Japanese artillery. His name might have been forgotten, were it not for 6-year-old James Leininger.

Quite a few people — including those who knew the fighter pilot — think James is the pilot, reincarnated.

James' parents, Andrea and Bruce, a highly educated, modern couple, say they are "probably the people least likely to have a scenario like this pop up in their lives."

But over time, they have become convinced their little son has had a former life.

From an early age, James would play with nothing else but planes, his parents say. But when he was 2, they said the planes their son loved began to give him regular nightmares.

"I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming," Andrea told ABCNEWS' Chris Cuomo. She said when she asked her son what he was dreaming about, he would say, "Airplane crash on fire, little man can't get out."

Reality Check

Andrea says her mom was the first to suggest James was remembering a past life.

At first, Andrea says she was doubtful. James was only watching kids' shows, his parents say, and they weren't watching World War II documentaries or conversing about military history.

But as time went by, Andrea began to wonder what to believe. In one video of James at age 3, he goes over a plane as if he's doing a preflight check.

Another time, Andrea said, she bought him a toy plane, and pointed out what appeared to be a bomb on its underside. She says James corrected her, and told her it was a drop tank. "I'd never heard of a drop tank," she said. "I didn't know what a drop tank was."

Then James' violent nightmares got worse, occurring three and four times a week. Andrea's mother suggested she look into the work of counselor and therapist Carol Bowman, who believes that the dead sometimes can be reborn.

With guidance from Bowman, they began to encourage James to share his memories — and immediately, Andrea says, the nightmares started become less frequent. James was also becoming more articulate about his apparent past, she said.

Bowman said James was at the age when former lives are most easily recalled. "They haven't had the cultural conditioning, the layering over the experience in this life so the memories can percolate up more easily," she said.

Trail of Mysteries

Over time, James' parents say he revealed extraordinary details about the life of a former fighter pilot — mostly at bedtime, when he was drowsy.

They say James told them his plane had been hit by the Japanese and crashed. Andrea says James told his father he flew a Corsair, and then told her, "They used to get flat tires all the time."

In fact, historians and pilots agree that the plane's tires took a lot of punishment on landing. But that's a fact that could easily be found in books or on television.

Andrea says James also told his father the name of the boat he took off from — Natoma — and the name of someone he flew with — "Jack Larson."

After some research, Bruce discovered both the Natoma and Jack Larson were real. The Natoma Bay was a small aircraft carrier in the Pacific. And Larson is living in Arkansas.

"It was like, holy mackerel," Bruce said. "You could have poured my brains out of my ears. I just couldn't believe it.

James 2 = James M. Huston Jr.?

Bruce became obsessed, searching the Internet, combing through military records and interviewing men who served aboard the Natoma Bay.

He said James told him he had been shot down at Iwo Jima. James had also begun signing his crayon drawings "James 3." Bruce soon learned that the only pilot from the squadron killed at Iwo Jima was James M. Huston Jr.

Bruce says James also told him his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine.

Ralph Clarbour, a rear gunner on a U.S. airplane that flew off the Natoma Bay, says his plane was right next to one flown by James M. Huston Jr. during a raid near Iwo Jima on March 3, 1945.

Clarbour said he saw Huston's plane struck by anti-aircraft fire. "I would say he was hit head on, right in the middle of the engine," he said.

Treasured Mementos

Bruce says he now believes his son had a past life in which he was James M. Huston Jr. "He came back because he wasn't finished with something."

The Leiningers wrote a letter to Huston's sister, Anne Barron, about their little boy. And now she believes it as well.

"The child was so convincing in coming up with all the things that there is no way on the world he could know," she said.

But Professor Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at Buffalo, who heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal, says he thinks the parents are "self-deceived."

"They're fascinated by the mysterious and they built up a fairy tale," he said.

James' vivid, alleged recollections are starting to fade as he gets older — but among his prized possessions remain two haunting presents sent to him by Barron: a bust of George Washington and a model of a Corsair aircraft.

They were among the personal effects of James Huston sent home after the war.

"He appears to have experienced something that I don't think is unique, but the way it's been revealed is quite astounding," Bruce said.

Asked if the idea that James may have been someone else changes his or his wife's feeling about their son, Bruce said: "It doesn't change how we think. I don't look at him and say, 'That's not my boy.' That's my boy."

33 posted on 04/18/2004 2:53:23 PM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
My godchild has been obsessed with balloons since before he could walk. He is an incredibly bright child.

He became obsessed with the Hindenburg. He knows the name of the captain, many of the crew, the embarking point, the docking point, the number of survivors, some of their names.

At 4 years, he can discuss the voilatility of hydrogen and why the non-volatile helium was not available. He has been beyond intrested since he was about 2 1/2.

34 posted on 04/18/2004 3:56:40 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED
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To: rageaholic
to aspire to be on okrah is by far some really lame offal.
35 posted on 04/19/2004 9:23:46 AM PDT by John Frum
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To: musical_airman
They had me going until the dad started writing a book. Yep, follow the money.

However, everyone says one of our kiddos is granny made over. What makes it really weird is she's adopted but she has all the mannerisms and quirks granny did and even hums the same unknown tune. We prefer to look at it as her guardian angel was new on the job and messed up or brought her the scenic route and granny came along to make sure things got straightened out.
36 posted on 04/19/2004 9:54:37 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mikegi; LibWhacker
I saw this story when it was on; the parents don't allow that child to watch TV, except for a few cartoonish shows.

I believed them.
37 posted on 04/19/2004 9:56:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: GreenHornet
Everybody knows that's cause the heart attack cases are reincarnated on Alpha Centauri, not Earth! ;-)
38 posted on 04/19/2004 11:56:12 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Howlin
What convinced me something was fishy was the visit to the museum and all the people around the kid who believe in past lives.

I don't know, though . . . It's eerie, that's for sure!

OTOH, it'd be way cool if reincarnation were real; we'd all get to see and live through all kinds of unbelievable things in the future.

39 posted on 04/19/2004 12:02:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: EggsAckley
At age three, my grandparents took me on a long camping trip. During this trip, I apparently freaked both of them completely out and made my grandfather believe in reincarnation.

One night, I told my grandma that I wanted an "Apple-lee" and she had no idea what that was. I proceeded to tell her a recipe for apple pie, except that there was no bottom crust. The ingredients were all correct, though. (As a kind-of-weird aside, everyone in my family has always called me "Lee," but that's not my name. I used to ask why, and they always said, "I don't know, you just look like a Lee.")

Then, on the way back to Florida, I told my grandfather to turn down some road in Georgia because I wanted to see my old house (I have never lived outside of Florida) - he humored me, and I directed him to a big, white house. I told him about the house, including the curving double staircase just inside the front door. He went up and knocked, and when the lady opened the door, the staircase was behind her. (Eerie, huh?)

Nothing like that has ever happened to me since, though.
40 posted on 04/19/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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