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Nafta Tribunals Stir U.S. Worries
The New York Times ^ | April 18, 2004 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 04/17/2004 12:18:38 PM PDT by sarcasm

After the highest court in Massachusetts ruled against a Canadian real estate company and after the United State Supreme Court declined to hear its appeal, the company's day in court was over.

Or so thought Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall of the Massachusetts court, until she learned of yet another layer of judicial review, by an international tribunal.

"I was at a dinner party," Chief Justice Marshall said in a recent telephone interview. "To say I was surprised to hear that a judgment of this court was being subjected to further review would be an understatement."

Tribunals like the one that ruled on the Massachusetts case were created by the North American Free Trade Agreement, and they have heard two challenges to American court judgments. In the other, the tribunal declared a Mississippi court's judgment at odds with international law, leaving the United States government potentially liable for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Any Canadian or Mexican business that contends it has been treated unjustly by the American judicial system can file a similar claim. American businesses with similar complaints about Canadian or Mexican court judgments can do the same. Under the Nafta agreement the government whose court system is challenged is responsible for awards by the tribunals.

"This is the biggest threat to United States judicial independence that no one has heard of and even fewer people understand," said John D. Echeverria, a law professor at Georgetown University.

In the Massachusetts case, brought by Mondev International, the Nafta tribunal decided in 2002 that the Massachusetts courts had not violated international law.

But in a separate pending case, brought by a Canadian company challenging the largest jury verdict in Mississippi history, a different Nafta tribunal offered a harsh assessment of Mississippi justice.

"The whole trial and its resultant verdict," the three-judge tribunal ruled last summer, "were clearly improper and discreditable and cannot be squared with minimum standards of international law and equitable treatment."

The Mississippi case arose from an exchange of companies between a Canadian concern, the Loewen Group, and companies owned by a Mississippi family, the O'Keefes. The O'Keefe family, contending that the Loewen Group did not live up to its obligations, sued for breach of contract and fraud. Although the tribunal found that the businesses were worth no more than $8 million, a jury in Jackson, Miss., awarded the family $500 million in 1995.

Loewen settled the case the next year, for $175 million. But, arguing that the trial had been unfair and that it had been coerced into settling by a requirement that the company post an appeal bond of $625 million, Loewen and one of its owners filed their claim in the Nafta tribunal in 1998. They asked for $725 million from the United States.

The availability of this additional layer of review, above even the United States Supreme Court, is a significant development, legal scholars said.

"It's basically been under the radar screen," Peter Spiro, a law professor at Hofstra University, said. "But it points to a fundamental reorientation of our constitutional system. You have an international tribunal essentially reviewing American court judgments."

The part of Nafta that created the tribunals, known as Chapter 11, received no consideration when it was passed in 1993.

"When we debated Nafta," Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said in 2002, "not a single word was uttered in discussing Chapter 11. Why? Because we didn't know how this provision would play out. No one really knew just how high the stakes would get."

Senator Kerry spoke before the tribunal rulings concerning the Massachusetts and Mississippi judgments. He offered his comments in connection with legislation he had offered to limit the jurisdiction of the tribunals. His amendment was rejected by the Senate.

Abner Mikva, a former chief judge of the federal appeals court in Washington and a former congressman, is one of the three Nafta judges considering the Mississippi case. He declined to discuss it but did offer his perspective on Chapter 11.

"If Congress had known that there was anything like this in Nafta," he said, "they would never have voted for it."

The other judges considering the case are Anthony Mason, a former chief justice of the Australian High Court, and Michael Mustill, a former British law lord. They were selected by the parties, much as arbitrators are, and their judgment cannot be appealed.

Though the tribunal called the Mississippi trial "a disgrace" and "the antithesis of due process," it denied the claim of the company itself last summer. The tribunal said the Loewen Group was ineligible to bring the claim because it had become an American company in the meantime. The trade agreement allows claims only by foreign investors.

But a separate claim by Raymond L. Loewen, a former owner of the company who was and is Canadian, remains pending. He did not specify the damages he is seeking. A decision is expected soon.

Even Mr. Loewen's American lawyer, John H. Lewis Jr., expressed some discomfort with the power of the Nafta tribunals.

"I agree with the principle that that people should not short-circuit or second-guess the American legal system," he said. "But this case was so extreme that hopefully it will never happen again."

About a score of cases have been filed against the three countries that are parties to the trade agreement, mostly in connection with environmental and other regulations. The United States has yet to lose one, but Canada and Mexico have had to pay damages to American investors.

In the Mississippi case, the tribunal had faulted Judge James E. Graves Jr. of Circuit Court in Jackson for allowing lawyers for a Mississippi businessman to make "prejudicial and extravagant" statements to the jury about the Canadian defendants' wealth and nationality.

"Judge Graves failed in his duty to take control of the trial by permitting the jury to be exposed to persistent and flagrant appeals to prejudice," the panel wrote. "The conduct of the trial by the trial judge was so flawed that it constituted a miscarriage of justice."

Justice Graves, now a justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court, declined to comment.

Similar tribunals existed in other trade agreements even before Nafta.

"Bilateral investment treaties went both ways," said Todd Weiler, a Nafta expert at the University of Windsor Law School in Canada, "but in practice there weren't that many Barbadians or Nicaraguans investing in the U.S."

But there is substantial Canadian and Mexican investment here. That means, judges and legal scholars said, that the tribunals have the potential to upset the settled American constitutional order.

"There are grave implications here," Chief Justice Ronald M. George of the California Supreme Court said in an interview. "It's rather shocking that the highest courts of the state and federal governments could have their judgments circumvented by these tribunals."


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To: jimtorr
Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall of the Massachusetts is NOT from America
21 posted on 04/17/2004 4:06:20 PM PDT by RickGolden
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To: jimtorr
Let's not get too hysterical, shall we?

Perhaps it is past time to get emotionally involved.

These tribunals only apply to NAFTA trade cases, and congress can abrogate them at any time.

Um-hmm. But they won't unless lots of people get "hysterical", now, will they?

For that matter, the courts could do the same, foreign policy or treaties notwithstanding.

Apparently not. Per the article, a NAFTA tribunal can continue a case after a state and the U.S. Supreme court made their decisions. (Yes, I know, the U.S. Supreme court declined to hear the case.)

Personally, I think the treaty should be amended so that only jurists from the member nations are included.

I have a better idea. Get rid of NAFTA.

22 posted on 04/17/2004 4:16:43 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: neutrino
Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/941589/posts
23 posted on 04/17/2004 4:17:11 PM PDT by RickGolden
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To: RickGolden
Thanks for the ping!

Disturbing times we live in, my FRiend.

24 posted on 04/17/2004 4:22:13 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: sarcasm
"When we debated Nafta," Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said in 2002, "not a single word was uttered in discussing Chapter 11. Why? Because we didn't know how this provision would play out. No one really knew just how high the stakes would get."

If you didn't know "how hight this provision would play out", then wouldn't it have been prudent to explore the possibilities before approving the treaty? Or do you only discuss the parts you're comfortable with?
25 posted on 04/17/2004 4:23:00 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: neutrino
Judicial Coup d'Etat

Friday, September 19, 2003
By Bill O'Reilly
This is very important and somewhat repetitive and I'm sorry about that, but again it's very important.



There is a move in the United States to change the country. The ACLU (search) is hooking up with a number of liberal judges to declare things that they don't like as unconstitutional.

Now, a judge can declare anything unconstitutional -- you can interpret the words of the founders in many different ways -- but the will of the people has always been the driving force behind policy in America.

This is changing and here's the best example I can give you. According to a Gallup Poll, 77 percent of Americans do not object to displaying the Ten Commandments in a courtroom.

However, as we know, a federal court has ruled the display unconstitutional. So it is not the will of the people that the judges are concerned about and it's also not prior history, as the Ten Commandments have been displayed in public forums for more than 200 years.

In my upcoming book, Who's Looking Out for You, I provide rock-solid proof that the Founding Fathers wanted spirituality incorporated into public policy -- that is, they wanted a definite morality right and wrong to be considered in policy matters.

Now the ACLU and some judges are hell bent -- pardon the pun -- on changing that and circumventing the will of the people.

Item: the California recall (search). Three liberal judges override the will of 2 million Californians.

Item: the San Francisco homeless initiative. One far-left judge tells citizens their votes about not providing cash to the homeless don't count.

Item: a Massachusetts judge throws out a criminal case against a man caught with two pounds of cocaine because the judge doesn't like the cop who made the arrest -- we'll deal with that story in a few moments.

Item: a liberal federal judge in San Diego says the Boy Scouts (search) are a religious organization and no town can do business with them.

I could give you hundreds of other examples, including judges taking the words "Christmas vacation" off school calendars, even though Christmas is a federal holiday, approved by Congress.

It is obvious, ladies and gentlemen, that we the people are being directly attacked by secularists who want to change this country. They know they can't do it in the voting booth, so they are going to do it using the courts.

This is no less than a potential coup d'etat and you should know about it. Next to the war on terror, this is the most important story the U.S. has seen in decades.


26 posted on 04/17/2004 4:25:59 PM PDT by RickGolden
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To: DumpsterDiver
Ignorance is nop excuse. Our Congress has sold us out to the globalists and they could care less what we think about it.
27 posted on 04/17/2004 4:26:29 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Charlespg
Thank you Comrade Clinton

And the Republican congress that passed it. Morons!

28 posted on 04/17/2004 4:29:25 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: sarcasm
Anti-NAFTA bump.
29 posted on 04/17/2004 4:32:57 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: sarcasm
We are kidding ourselves if we think that we are actually a nation. Nations have borders which are universally understood, respected, and enforced. Nations have different forms of nationalism such as economic nationalism. Nations serve their national interests, they do not replace them with the interests of multinational corporations and cowardly pseudointellectual globalists.
30 posted on 04/17/2004 4:36:16 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: sarcasm
stinks
31 posted on 04/17/2004 4:40:13 PM PDT by dennisw (GD is against Amalek for all generations)
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To: John Lenin
Our Congress has sold us out to the globalists and they could care less what we think about it.

Do you think they are that devious, or are they stupid enough to just vote on things before they even read or understand them?

32 posted on 04/17/2004 4:45:16 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Cicero
since both parties should agree that it is extremely undesirable for the U.S. to expose itself to arbitrary rulings of this kind by unelected and unaccountable judges.

But do they?

33 posted on 04/17/2004 4:52:00 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: sarcasm; Mr. Mojo; Euro-American Scum; Happy2BMe
"If Congress had known that there was anything like this in NAFTA," he said, "they would never have voted for it."

IF our traitorous, POS Congress critters ever READ pending Legislation BEFORE they approved it, they WOULD HAVE KNOWN! As long as we have imbeciles like them in office we are in grave danger. Get the rope!!

34 posted on 04/17/2004 4:59:39 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (--->Islam and Democrats: equally dangerous to Americans<---)
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To: NRA2BFree; Truthsayer20
As long as we have imbeciles like them in office we are in grave danger.

I don't buy for a minute that they were uninformed about this. As thruthsayer20 stated, NAFTA was birthed during Reagan , nurtured during Bush1, and passed during Clinton. Mostly by Republicans, in fact.

By the time it got to vote, those creeps knew very well what NAFTA was. National sovereignty apparently meant nothing to them.

I doubt it would have passed had the internet been around.

35 posted on 04/17/2004 5:23:55 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend.Jack Handy)
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To: neutrino
And so another poisonous fruit of free trade ripens!

I'm sure that there are equally poisonous fruits in the FTAA. BTW, where are the "free traders" - searching for talking points?

36 posted on 04/17/2004 5:38:20 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: RickGolden
Good one!

Judicial Coup d'Etat

Post #26 is well worth reading!

37 posted on 04/17/2004 6:30:13 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: sarcasm
BTW, where are the "free traders" - searching for talking points?

They may have quite a long search - to support NAFTA tribunals is tantamount to confessing they truly and actually wish to subordinate the U.S. government to a foreign power. And that is true and actual treason.

38 posted on 04/17/2004 6:32:39 PM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Truthsayer20
Actually, it was none other than Ronald Reagan who proposed and laid the groundwork for NAFTA.

I knew that but I was trying to be careful not to tread on Ronnie Reagan...

40 posted on 04/17/2004 7:06:23 PM PDT by Iscool
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