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US Holding 200 Iraqi Troops Who Mutinied -Comrades
Reuters ^ | April 16, 2004 | Khaled Yacoub Oweis

Posted on 04/16/2004 2:19:43 PM PDT by Eurotwit

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. forces have detained around 200 Iraqi paramilitary soldiers who refused to take part in a U.S. offensive against the Sunni Muslim city of Falluja, their former comrades said Friday.

The U.S. military declined to confirm whether the men were being held. Senior officers play down the significance of such incidents but, asked about reports of mutiny among Iraqi troops, have acknowledged a "command failure" took place during the Falluja offensive.

Soldiers from the Baghdad-based 36th Security Brigade, part of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC), told Reuters that last week U.S. commanders took them at night to Falluja, west of the capital, where U.S. forces were massing to crush a growing insurgency.

"They told us to attack the city and we were astonished. How could an Iraqi fight an Iraqi like this? This meant that nothing had changed from the Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) days. We refused en masse," said Ali al-Shamari.

Falluja has been a flashpoint for attacks on U.S. forces since Saddam was toppled last year. The city is inhabited by minority Arab Sunnis, many of whom complain they are worse off under the occupation than under Saddam, a fellow Sunni.

U.S. Marines began a major assault on Falluja on April 5 after the killing and mutilation of four U.S. private security guards in the city the previous week. Doctors say more than 600 Iraqis have died in fighting in Falluja since then.

Shamari said the brigade members did not know they were heading to Falluja until they arrived there.

After the brigade refused to fight, he said, soldiers were stripped of their badges and confined to tents in a U.S. base on the outskirts of Falluja. Their rations were restricted to one meal per day.

"I escaped, but around 200 of our comrades remain there. We demand their release," Shamari said.

The 36th brigade, according to four of its members, comprises 340 soldiers from the former Iraqi army and the Peshmerga, the Kurdish militia that once fought Saddam's forces.

Ali Hussein, a Shi'ite private, said the brigade's mission since its formation had been security tasks such as conducting searches and guarding buildings.

"Suddenly we were asked to take part in a huge offensive," Hussein said, adding that he felt sympathy for Falluja residents although they were from the Sunni minority who had dominated the Shi'ites for decades.

Bukhtiar Saleh, a Kurdish soldier, said U.S. heavy-handedness had discouraged him from fighting.

"They were bombing the city with warplanes and using cluster bombs. I could not be a part of this," he said.

Human rights groups and several leading Iraqi politicians have denounced U.S. action in Falluja, calling it collective punishment of a whole town for the violent actions of a minority.

The U.S. army says it has not targeted civilians. The Sunni insurgency and a separate Shi'ite revolt is testing the resolve of thousands of Iraqi security forces hastily formed after Saddam's government fell last year.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: falluja; icdc; iraq; iraqisecurityforces; mutiny; vigilantresolve
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To: Eurotwit
These a$$holes are worthless.
21 posted on 04/16/2004 3:57:39 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Eurotwit
The same troops reportedly never mutiny on paydays.

22 posted on 04/16/2004 4:14:41 PM PDT by Gringo1 (El Riesgo Siempre Vive!)
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To: Eurotwit
How could an Iraqi fight an Iraqi like this?

So American blood is expected to pick up the entire tab for Iraqi freedom??

Let's plug in ANY Iraqi "government," get the hell out, and let them swim in their own blood.

23 posted on 04/16/2004 7:26:31 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"I do not believe everything I see on the Internet, or the news."

These ARE Muslims.

This account isn't exactly shocking, is it?

24 posted on 04/16/2004 7:29:52 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: traumer
DISENFRANCHISE THEM.

No Pay; never any further Government Job; No "Federal Benefits," ; NO Possibility of furthur Governmental Employment,; Constant Surveillance,; Permanent Status as Faithless Cowards,; Loss of ALL "Privileges of Iraqi Citizenship,"; Total Loss of ALL "Status" in Iraqi Society for "Cowardice."

Pretty much the Fate of an American "Deserter."

Doc

25 posted on 04/16/2004 7:47:43 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: F16Fighter
Now, now, calm down. Haven't you heard the spokesman for central command say that we must win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis? We can't just be too aggressive.

THEN WE WILL DIE YOU MORON

WAKE UP AMERICA

WE ARE NOT FIGHTING HEARTS & MINDS
26 posted on 04/16/2004 7:49:17 PM PDT by katz ( Rush is Right)
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To: F16Fighter
It is a fair argument. To Take up arms against your own countrymen I mean. Remember how many here on this forum was disgusted over Waco when army tanks attacked US Civilians. We need to level Faluja, get the attention of the Iraqui people. Only 75 sniper days left before we hand it back over to them.
27 posted on 04/16/2004 7:59:33 PM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: katz
"Haven't you heard the spokesman for central command say that we must win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis?"

By now the Central Command recognizes it's time for 'Plan B' :

The "hearts and minds of the Iraqis" can actually only be "won" through the liberal use of MOABs and mercilessly utilized overwhelming force.

28 posted on 04/16/2004 8:07:32 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: eastforker
"It is a fair argument. To Take up arms against your own countrymen I mean. Remember how many here on this forum was disgusted over Waco when army tanks attacked US Civilians."

Naah, not a very good argument.

Koresh's Waco's inhabitants weren't exactly analogious to Saddam's henchmen, were they?

"We need to level Faluja, get the attention of the Iraqui people."

On this we agree.

29 posted on 04/16/2004 8:12:34 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
I hope so. This killing of our troops is heart breaking. I support the war but I cannot stand one death. If the troops were not tied down, then the truth of war would not feel so bad.
30 posted on 04/16/2004 8:21:38 PM PDT by katz ( Rush is Right)
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To: katz
"I support the war but I cannot stand one death. If the troops were not tied down, then the truth of war would not feel so bad."

That's what's staggering...

It's gotta be a no-holds-barred, go-for-the-throat proposition for our guys, otherwise how can we be expected to fully support this war?

31 posted on 04/16/2004 8:34:02 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Right. Give our military generals the power to win. Do not let CNN and Aljezera report from the war zone. Let our troops do their job and keep the cameras away. The cameras can come in when it is over. The news couldn't be any worse after than it is now. No more PC news.
32 posted on 04/16/2004 9:01:00 PM PDT by katz ( Rush is Right)
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