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AN EMAIL FROM THE FRONT
andrew sullivan ^
| Wednesday, April 14, 2004
| in iraq
Posted on 04/16/2004 5:07:20 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: proud American in Canada
We're all grateful for their sacrifice.Maybe we need to act like a country at war - have a draft, raise troop pay and reenlistment incentives through bond rallies, have George Bush take the lead on fund-raising for the troops and their families, etc.
So far, politically, this is a 'don't-step-on-any-toes-at-home police action', not a war like in the past. It seems like the moral equivalent of a too-good to be true credit card offer in the mail for all Americans except the military and their families.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:07:52 AM PDT
by
Puddleglum
(The Dems seem to have no problem in outsourcing America's oil production.)
To: RichardW
The American people will not tolerate incompetence. If true, Bush will be reelected!
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:10:17 AM PDT
by
verity
(A Vote for Kerry is a vote for National Suicide!)
To: ExpatInLondon
"But Bush and his advisor were pretty adamant about them, weren't they?"
So was the UN and every intel agency in the free world. So was slick willy. So that argument doesn't hold water.
"And that this war is pointless and harmful to America."
Not so. WMD's were only one of the reasons. Saddam had to go one way or the other for a number of reasons.
To: ExpatInLondon
"Bush was ill served by advisors who lied about WMD. Soldiers are paying the price. He has a lot to answer for."
Any incorrect statement is a lie? This is the kind of foolish statement I would expect from the tinfoil hatters over at the DU.
Hm... The weater forecaster predicted rain last night, but I didn't see a drop. I need to call the radio station and accuse them of being liars. "You lied about the rain, and now I have to water my lawn! My grass is paying the price for your deception! You have a lot to answer for!!"
APf
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:13:46 AM PDT
by
APFel
To: RichardW
Bush was ill served by his advisors who estimated the necessary troops to get the job done. It will likely cost him the election in November. The American people will not tolerate incompetence. Not at all. Taking Baghdad in three weeks with minimal casualties? I'd say the troop strength was estimated well. As far as securing the country, who in their right mind thought it would be easy? Umm, nobody?
See, you may live in your critical little vacuum world, Richard, but the rest of us live in reality. You cannot simply send 300K troops into Iraq and ask the rest of the world to please be on their best behavior. These senior folks are making extremely tough, life-or-death decisions with resource constraints.
Your toughest decision each day, as best I can tell, is what to gripe about next.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:16:53 AM PDT
by
Coop
(Freedom isn't free)
To: RichardW
Bush is ill served by tolerance and multiculturalism. If we were a little more severe (Fallujah should be leveled, mosques should be inspected and destroyed if used for military purposes, etc.), we would probably not have these problems. If knew where Sadr was, even if he was hiding in the most "holy" mosque in Iraq, we should hit it with daisy cutters and MOABs.
Instead we tiptoe around, worrying about offending these people. That looks weak and inspires the more psychopathic among them to try fighting.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT
by
Little Ray
(John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
Comment #29 Removed by Moderator
To: ExpatInLondon
If you'd like to know why we invaded Iraq you could look at the congressional authorization.
Apparently you've been away so long you've forgotten that we have a congress that says why we go to war- not a BBC.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:21:10 AM PDT
by
mrsmith
("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
To: ExpatInLondon
It seems pretty clear that they lied. To be a lie, they had to know in advance that there weren't any.
Your use of the term "lie" is not correct in this case. Everybody thought Saddam had them. It may turn out that they were all wrong, it may not.
Never the less, if you cannot prove prior knowledge of the absense of WMD's, then you cannot use the term "lie".
To: RichardW
Bush was ill served by his advisors who estimated the necessary troops to get the job done. It will likely cost him the election in November. The American people will not tolerate incompetence.We won't tolerate incompetence? We have before. (-- refer, that's refer not reefer, to last president)
To: dennisw
This LT was just told he'd be spending an additional 4 months in theater after a one year tour. If he wasn't pessimistic and bitching, I'd question his sanity. Having been in similar (though not quite so harsh) situations in my military career, I can dig out my own stack of "everything sucks" letters. And then, when you finally make it home, take a deep breath, sleep in your own bed and reacquaint yourself with your wife and kids...you start looking back and realize that maybe not everything sucked. In fact, some of it didn't suck at all. In fact, maybe another tour wouldn't be so bad. Especially since the cause is just, and our troops are professional warriors.
My guess is this Lt will have a long career in the Army. He's obviously bright and a thinker. Contrary to Hollywood stereotypes, there is plenty of room in our military for those kinds of leaders.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:25:42 AM PDT
by
Rokke
To: ExpatInLondon
It seems pretty clear that they lied. And that this war is pointless and harmful to America...
Iran is the preeminent state sponsor of terrorism. Syria is the state sponsor of palistinian terrorism. Saudi Arabia and Iraq have the largest oil reserves which support the world economy. And this war is pointless and harmful to America?
To: ExpatInLondon
You sure you are on the right website?
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:27:18 AM PDT
by
ilgipper
To: captbarney
I am not sure if you have served in the post WWII military or not, but since that war - the US has changed the way it deals with wars - Korea (a stalemate), Vietnam (a loss), Iraq 1 (a withdrawal), etc.... you see the liberation of the world is no longer the issue and that is why WWII and WWI can not be used as a benchmark to all other wars or engagements. I was in a "war" for over a year and the news only reported it for 18 days.... no one knew we drew fire, no one knew we lived in lousy conditions, it was forgotten about. That is because we engage in what is now called "conflicts".
This thought process is put into soldiers minds from the start. Read what reservists and soldiers say when interviewed. They say "I wanted the money for college". They are lured in by a free education. I told my son he could not join the military for college money alone, that he had to go into the service knowing that he would train and be prepared for war. That is what the military is.
When you offer someone a free education and down play the fact that you will be in battle, you get what you pay for - Soldiers that expect and are told a limited engagement time. It is a culture designed by our nation to avert a draft, and the price you pay in many cases is demoralized troops and upset parents, because they just wanted a free education, and never thought they would be in battle.
This letter is from a proud soldier doing his best to see what this war will yield for him and his troops. Support him and his comrades, don't trivialize this by comparing his situation to that of a World War.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:29:11 AM PDT
by
Rstutz
Comment #37 Removed by Moderator
To: captbarney
These soldiers shouldn't have been told a time frame. Why not? The entire country was fed a pile of crap by the members of this administration who have overseen the whole situation in Iraq -- why would we expect the troops be treated any differently?
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:31:30 AM PDT
by
Alberta's Child
(Alberta -- the TRUE north strong and free.)
Comment #39 Removed by Moderator
To: Broadside Joe
I'm referring to the gross undermanning of the occupation forces. This is truly outrageous. We should have had twice the force in there, secured the borders, disarmed the population and imposed our will immediately. It has been obvious that there was no sound planning to deal with the aftermath of the war to oust Saddam. This is needlessly costing American lives.
Now Rumsfeld is expressing remorse but it is a little late in the day. The opportunity to do it right has been squandered and this will very likely lead to a President Kerry. Bush has likely thrown away his reelection based on the horrible advice of his in-house "experts" whose hubris was palpable.
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posted on
04/16/2004 6:32:48 AM PDT
by
RichardW
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