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To: sarcasm
Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's V.P. was a Democrat? Well, he was before he was Lincoln's V.P., but since Lincoln is credited as being the first GOP president, then Johnson as his V.P.,counts in the GOP category.

Grant took expensive gifts,was hoodwinked by Fisk and Gould,but then did later give orders to sell gold,thus breaking Gould and Fisk's attempt to corner the gold market;I'll give him that,still look what he did regarding Reconstruction.

His to his penurious situation,after he left the presidency, it was due to his stupidity ( failed investment firm,with a crooked partner!)and not to his "honesty".

You're spinning,re the immigration thing. The Chinese immigrants took jobs,at much lower pay, than American natives would.any businesses,at that time, fired their native American workers and replaced them with the Chinese.It was almost outsourcing;not really all that removed (and it was actually worse!)from hiring H1B workers!

The 1870s were dreary years in America,and 1876 was one of the worst,during that decade of depressions,PANICS,and monetary catastrophes.In the mid 1870s foreclosures were rampant,the majority of farmers neither owned the land they worked,nor the houses they lived in.Jobs were not easy to come by,nor secure.As a matter of fact,hordes of the unemployed became wandering bums,terrorizing the countryside.

Historical facts,not revisionist history or imagined history,matter!

My point in asking you the question I did, was to prove that NO president has EVER been as Conservative as what some here claim to want/want to go back to.Thanks for proving me correct.Now, shall we go through the rest of the GOP presidents, from Lincoln to Ike,or have you had enough? :-)

77 posted on 04/17/2004 12:40:35 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's V.P. was a Democrat? Well, he was before he was Lincoln's V.P., but since Lincoln is credited as being the first GOP president, then Johnson as his V.P.,counts in the GOP category.

Nope - he remained a Democrat - that's one of the reasons why he was despised by the radical Republicans

His to his penurious situation,after he left the presidency, it was due to his stupidity ( failed investment firm,with a crooked partner!)and not to his "honesty".

Give me an example (besides gifts) which shows personal dishonesty.

You're spinning,re the immigration thing. The Chinese immigrants took jobs,at much lower pay, than American natives would.any businesses,at that time, fired their native American workers and replaced them with the Chinese.It was almost outsourcing;not really all that removed (and it was actually worse!)from hiring H1B workers!

It was actually racism which caused the various Chinese exclusion acts to be enacted. There weren't moves to restrict immigration from Europe until much later. In 1876 the United States was still expanding and immigrants were needed in many areas of the west.

The 1870s were dreary years in America,and 1876 was one of the worst,during that decade of depressions,PANICS,and monetary catastrophes.

The panic of 1873 was a European economic failure which spread to the United States. The main cause was the overbuilding of and speculation in railroads - similar to the dot com mania and crash. Things were bad all over - not just in the United States.

78 posted on 04/17/2004 1:00:54 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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