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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Indeed we are all entitled to our opinion, yet the facts on homosexuality support one opinion and not the other.

Perhaps with some homosexuals, engaging in homosexuality is a choice they make to rebel as we see with freeper Chani.

The more science studies homosexuality, the more we see the major factor determining homosexuality is environment. That's not a bold statement, it's what science continues to report. We should heed the words of John Adams when he said:

"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
As two of the three little pigs learned, we must build our house out of something solid. This was an important teaching of Jesus as well. He said it is foolish to build your house on sand, or to build your core position on something that is easily washed away. Instead, we should build our position on something solid, something which stands firm under scrutiny.

In regards to homosexuality and genetics, the work of homosexual activist Dr. Simon Levay has often been used to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic, and his work is still quoted to this day. But what did Levay really find? Here is what Levay said of his own work:

"It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
In 1973 the APA (American Psychiatric Association) declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. According to Levay, it wasn't science that propelled the APAs change, he said "Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

Dr. Robert L. Spitzer played a pivotal role in the above 1973 decision made by the APA. Spitzer used to believe homosexuals couldn't change but after studying the results of therapy he now believes homosexuals can change:

"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change."

Spitzer concluded with:

"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."
I hope that helps.
26 posted on 04/16/2004 8:50:51 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter; OutInTheColdAgain

In 1973 the APA (American Psychiatric Association) declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. According to Levay, it wasn't science that propelled the APAs change, he said "Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."


Homosexual Activism in the American Psychiatric Association and the Removal of Homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

The Politically Correct American Psychological Association

An excerpt from "Psychology's sexual dis-orientation" by MIT Psychologist, Gerald E. Zuriff, Ph.D

31 posted on 04/16/2004 12:40:29 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: scripter
You Wrote: In regards to homosexuality and genetics, the work of homosexual activist Dr. Simon Levay has often been used to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic

I don't know the name of any homosexual activists. I read articles in mainstream newspapers and magazines but I have not gotten into the whole "homosexual agenda" thing.

My claim to fame is not going to be that I can write outstanding articles. I am pretty well read and one columnist I enjoy tremendously is Leonard Pitts Jr a columnist with the Miami Herald Tribune. He was awarded with a Pulitzer prize just a couple weeks ago. I really admire him and have been reading him for a long time, before I even knew my children were gay. I remember many of his columns, you probably do too, he wrote that pretty widely circulated column after 9/11 ...the one that goes something like "We are a family and when you attacked one of us you attacked us all" That is the guy. In this column he wrote is what I would respond to you with. http://www.freep.com/voices/columnists/pitts20_20040220.htm
45 posted on 04/16/2004 11:21:20 PM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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