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Santorum's Shame
National Review Online | 4/15/04 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 04/15/2004 5:30:21 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe

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To: Ogie Oglethorpe; jwalsh07
"Rick will always have my vote. As disappointed as I am, I will never forget him standing up to the 'Beast on the Senate floor during the Partial-Birth Abortion ban. He was a true hero that day."


I agree, Santorum was a conservative hero on that day and many others, and even with my disappointment I still consider him one of our best possible presidential candidates in 2008. But remember that day that Santorum stood up to Hillary on partial-birth abortion? Arlen Specter voted in favor of a sham substitute amendment that would have allowed partial-birth abortions so long as the "doctor" said that the mother's health (including mental health) could be at risk if she gave birth. As everyone knew, the amendment was a poison pill and would not have banned a single abortion, but there was old RINO Arlen joining Tom Daschle and other pro-aborts trying to derail Senator Santorum's PBA ban. Of course, once the amendment was voted down (after Santorum's brilliant speech), and the PBA ban was certain to pass, Specter joined other pro-abortion hypocrites (such as Tom Daschle) to vote for final passage of the PBA ban.

And you know what? After Santorum cut those disgusting ads for Specter in which he says that Specter is with us on the votes that count, Specter backstabbed him again by voting in favor of Dianne Feinstein's sham substitute amendment to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci and Conner's Law), which amendment would have said that when a man shoots a pregnant woman and kills her and her baby, there was only one victim, and if he shoots her and kills the baby but the woman survives, he couldn't get charged with murder. That horrendous amendment was defeated by just a single vote, 50-49, but it wasn't Arlen's vote that saved the day, since he voted for the amendment (thank God that three pro-life Democrats, Zell Miller, Ben Nelson and John Breaux, voted the right way). But, of course, after Specter and his buddies failed to derail Laci and Conner's Law, Specter and Tom Daschle and some other hypocrites voted for final passage so that they could claim to have voted pro-life. Arlen Specter is lower than pondscum, pure and simple, and if his liberal record can be spun to say that he's with conservatives "when it counts," the same could be said about Tom Daschle's record. I hope and pray that Rick Santorum doesn't owe any "loyalty" to Tom Daschle and doesn't cut ads in favor of *that* liberal incumbent.
41 posted on 04/15/2004 6:43:48 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: ServesURight
Bork was many years ago. Arlen's older, he's almost infirm...did you see the debate?
42 posted on 04/15/2004 6:44:19 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
Well, hopefully PA will elect a true conservative on April 27 and our conjecture will all be moot.
43 posted on 04/15/2004 6:46:09 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Specter sees taking over SJC and ensuring babykilling for another two decades as his final Senate legacy.

It'll happen because Specter is like that. Loyalty and principle are foreign concepts to him. Clearly, the guy is an albatross around the neck of conservatives.

44 posted on 04/15/2004 6:46:44 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: samadams2000
>>Can someone verify Bush if pro-Spectre??

Yes. Both Bush and Santorum personally endorse Specter in his PA campaign ads. By endorsing him, both have shown they have no integrity.
45 posted on 04/15/2004 6:48:32 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
I hope so also..it looks very promising.
46 posted on 04/15/2004 6:48:56 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
Bork was many years ago. Arlen's older, he's almost infirm...did you see the debate?

No, but I read FR posts that said Specter was more incoherent than Janet Reno.

Well, April 27th is a week and a half away. Guess I'll tune in to FR and see the results. I really do hope Toomey wins.

47 posted on 04/15/2004 6:49:45 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: PhilipFreneau
Yes. Both Bush and Santorum personally endorse Specter in his PA campaign ads. By endorsing him, both have shown they have no integrity.

Rick Santorum authored and got passed and signed the PBA Act of 2003. He has more integrity in his little toe than all his detractors have combined.

48 posted on 04/15/2004 6:54:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (REMEMBER FABRIZIO!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I hope and pray that Rick Santorum doesn't owe any "loyalty" to Tom Daschle and doesn't cut ads in favor of *that* liberal incumbent.

Direct your hope and prayers elsewhere, Santorum will not be cutting ads for Tom Daschle.

49 posted on 04/15/2004 6:55:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (REMEMBER FABRIZIO!)
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To: ken5050
Nice analysis. So, who'd you vote for in the primary?
50 posted on 04/15/2004 7:02:51 PM PDT by pettifogger
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To: pettifogger
I'm not in PA....
51 posted on 04/15/2004 7:10:50 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Ain't nothing new with Santorum

He came out for that baby killer gun grabbing Greenwood in the Bucks County congressional primaries several years back
53 posted on 04/15/2004 7:28:58 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Antoninus
Good guess.I have never been disappointed in our Senator,Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum .
54 posted on 04/15/2004 7:31:36 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: jwalsh07
>> Rick Santorum authored and got passed and signed the PBA Act of 2003. He has more integrity in his little toe than all his detractors have combined.

I reside in PA, and I voted for Santorum, as did my wife. But, by definition, no one with integrity would endorse someone who has none. Spector has none. Those who endorse him have none.

55 posted on 04/15/2004 7:40:08 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
You're smoking some Grade A crack if you think Santorum and Bush have no integrity.

I'm so sick of the whining, petty, so-called conservatives here who want every Republican to be a spitting image of one of the Founders. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, OK?

Now Santorum certainly is a conservative and committed to conservative causes. But it is a matter of policy that he and Bush support Specter. That doesn't mean they suddenly become left-wingers.

56 posted on 04/15/2004 7:44:31 PM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: jwalsh07
We obviously have differing opinions on loyalty and debts. Nowhere to go from here.

My opinion on loyalty and debts is they are to be honored at all costs, until it comes to the harming of my true beliefs, my family, and the well being of my country. Repaying a political favor at the cost of detriment to the core-conservative cause of the party does nothing to further that cause, which I believed Santorum stood for. He's a young man, both in age and political position, and he's already playing the "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". Politics as usual.

Perhaps my search for a stand-up conservative to finally enter the beltway and not play the usual paddycakes and footsies we all know so well will never end. It sure isn't ending here.

FReegards.

FMCDH

57 posted on 04/15/2004 7:49:03 PM PDT by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: Antoninus
"However, I'll bet that Specter extorted this support from both Santorum and Bush in exchange for votes in support of major legislation--like the tax cuts, for instance."

You are exactly right. It is Specter's modus operandi, and he does it everytime he's up for relection. Hence, his defense of Clarence Thomas.

If I truly believed he would betray the conservative cause for loyalty to a colleague like Specter, I would never vote for him again.

58 posted on 04/15/2004 7:59:36 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for president Bush IS a vote for principle.)
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To: jwalsh07
It isn't because Santorum owes Specter. Antoninus is exactly correct in post #12.
59 posted on 04/15/2004 8:02:46 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for president Bush IS a vote for principle.)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
Steve friend,We kill our friends met many at a meeting,it was a closed meeting.I stand by our Senator and I am proud of him, Antoninus is exactly correct in post #12.
60 posted on 04/15/2004 8:08:50 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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