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To: Alamo-Girl; marron; unspun; Ronzo; PatrickHenry; rolling_stone
Seems to me that mankind has become so self involved that much of science is inadvertently upholding a false, second reality.

It seems that way to me, too, Alamo-Girl. Though sometimes I do wonder whether "inadvertence" is really to blame here. Certain scientists I could name exude confidence that they know exactly what they're doing. I gather they're just hoping we won't notice that what they're doing ain't science!

To the extent that present-day science fosters second-reality building, I wonder whether scientists realize that they have put themselves out of a job? How is it possible to falsify anything in a fictitious reality where virtually everything is false, including the observer? One falsifies, not only reality, but also one's own nature by thinking one can actually go live in a fiction of one's own construction.

This sort of thing requires a "black magician," not a scientist! That, plus a gullible "audience" who want to be fooled by the trick.

Sadly, today it seems neither is in short supply. Then people say that American science is "losing its edge," its pre-eminence in the world. Maybe it's time for us to "wonder why" that is...and come to our senses.

423 posted on 05/03/2004 11:15:04 AM PDT by betty boop (The purpose of marriage is to civilize men, protect women, and raise children. -- William Bennett)
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To: betty boop
Certain scientists I could name exude confidence that they know exactly what they're doing. I gather they're just hoping we won't notice that what they're doing ain't science!

To the extent that present-day science fosters second-reality building, I wonder whether scientists realize that they have put themselves out of a job?

BB, I haven't been keeping up with this thread, and sadly it's now too long for me to start at the beginning. But could you please help me out and name someone, and give me an example of his "second-reality building"? Presumably this will be an example of "... a fictitious reality where virtually everything is false, including the observer? One falsifies, not only reality, but also one's own nature by thinking one can actually go live in a fiction of one's own construction."

If you're thinking of quantum mechanics, just say so and I won't be able to argue with you, as that whole field leaves me mystified. But if you're thinking of something else, I'd like to know what it is.

424 posted on 05/03/2004 11:28:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: betty boop
To the extent that present-day science fosters second-reality building, I wonder whether scientists realize that they have put themselves out of a job? How is it possible to falsify anything in a fictitious reality where virtually everything is false, including the observer? One falsifies, not only reality, but also one's own nature by thinking one can actually go live in a fiction of one's own construction.

And yet...

Great catch, betty boop! Thanks for your reply!

425 posted on 05/03/2004 11:36:16 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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