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Iraqis help coalition in battle for Fallujah (Some Iraqis with the will to fight)
The Age ^ | April 14, 2004 | Tony Perry

Posted on 04/13/2004 1:14:45 PM PDT by Eurotwit

A disparate group of Iraqi soldiers are helping the US fight insurgents in Fallujah. Tony Perry reports.

As would-be peacemakers tried to avert a military showdown between US marines and insurgents cornered in Fallujah, one group of soldiers left no doubt that they were prepared for a fight.

"Fallujah, Fallujah, right now," chanted members of a battalion in the new Iraqi army.

The Iraqi troops, US marines and US Army Special Forces advisers live in a tumbledown house not far from where four Americans were killed and their bodies mutilated late last month. That event triggered the US offensive going on in Fallujah, which has a population of 300,000.

The performance of the Iraqi security forces during the offensive, for the most part, has been dismal. Some Iraqi army units deserted, police officers in Fallujah fled in their squad cars and the Iraqi Civil Defence Corps forces were largely a no-show.

But the performance by scores of soldiers from the Iraqi army's 36th Battalion has been a bright spot, suggesting to the Americans that, with time, training and better weaponry, Iraq's forces could help combat the insurgency.

Although many of its activities are considered classified, the battalion - the label is a bit overblown given that the 36th has only a few hundred soldiers - has been involved in gathering intelligence, apprehending suspected terrorists, setting up ambushes and helping US forces tighten the cordon around Fallujah to keep insurgents from escaping or gaining reinforcements.

"These guys are hard-core," said marine Lance Corporal Rob Noceda, 19, of Chicago.

The unit is made up of a cross-section of ethnic and religious groups, including both Shiite and Sunni Muslims. Some served in the Iraqi army under Saddam Hussein. Others were involved with dissident groups during his regime, including one soldier who was tortured and had part of an ear cut off.

Some are Kurds with a surpassing hatred of Saddam and anyone with his former ruling Baath Party.

Captain Saad Amar Auobai, a charismatic Iraqi officer, said his men would "fight those who would hurt our people. We want to capture them, not kill them; we are not killers."

Ahmad Temeny was a school principal before joining the new army as a sergeant. "We are fighting for Iraq," he said.

But the soldiers want Americans to be clear on one point: they expect the US Government to follow through on its commitment to return control of Iraq to its people in less than three months.

"If it does not happen by June 30, everyone will quit," Hussain Ali said. "We fight for Iraq, not the US."

- Los Angeles Times


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; iraqisecurityforces

1 posted on 04/13/2004 1:14:48 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
There is a role for these troops.

The American commanders need to use them where they will do the most good while not putting our operations or long term goals at risk.

2 posted on 04/13/2004 1:22:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Eurotwit
"If it does not happen by June 30, everyone will quit," Hussain Ali said. "We fight for Iraq, not the US."

This quote more than anything has finally convinced me that the turn over has to happen on June 30. God bless this man for fighting for Iraq. If I were him, I would want us out too. These brave men have little hope of recognition in the worldwide mainstream press.
3 posted on 04/13/2004 1:31:05 PM PDT by Jeeper (Virginia is for Jeepers)
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To: Jeeper
"Turning Over Iraq" does not necessarily equate to leaving.

An independent Iraqi government will almost certainly continue to need an American military presence in a support role to help run down armed dissidents and foreign terrorists.
4 posted on 04/13/2004 1:34:16 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Jeeper
I was going to say that I bet a large percentage of these troops are Kurds. Parley
5 posted on 04/13/2004 1:35:40 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: ZULU
"Turning Over Iraq" does not necessarily equate to leaving.

Considering that we still have troops in Germany and Japan from winning WW II, and South Korea from winning (in the sense that the North didn't take over) the Korean War, I expect that we will continue to have troops in Iraq for a long time. The only way we will remove the troops is if we lose and flee. I pray that doesn't happen for our sake and the sake of the people of Iraq.

6 posted on 04/13/2004 1:47:04 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing. - Ann Coulter 4/1/04, How 9-11 Happened)
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To: ZULU
They will need help for some time given the neighborhood they live in.
7 posted on 04/13/2004 1:54:51 PM PDT by Jeeper (Virginia is for Jeepers)
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To: ZULU; Jeeper
I agree we'll be in Iraq for quite some time. In fact, it seems pretty clear that Iraq's location, right there with all the trouble-makers, is part of the reason we're in there. I bet we won't have to haggle overflight rights or basing rights with the new Iraqi government if we move against Syria or Iran.

It's important that Iraqis begin providing security for Iraqis, though. The Iraqi police and army need to step it up. There doesn't seem to be a lot of "buy in" so far. When Iraqis sees Iraqis fighting and dying for the nation of Iraq, they will begin to see progress.
8 posted on 04/13/2004 2:12:06 PM PDT by murdocj (Murdoc Online - Everyone is entitled to my opinion (http://www.murdoconline.net))
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To: Eurotwit
"If it does not happen by June 30, everyone will quit," Hussain Ali said. "We fight for Iraq, not the US."

George W. Bush has always understood this. The Iraqis have to feel totally responsible for their country, or it will be a failure.
Of course, we have to keep troops there, and the super-embassy they plan, but the gov't has to be led by Iraqis. And they can't be perceived to be puppets of the Americans - and that's the hardest part.

9 posted on 04/13/2004 2:27:22 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Eurotwit
"they expect the US Government to follow through on its commitment to return control of Iraq to its people in less than three months."

I certainly hope we will be able to do this. Something just bugs me about the way some of these Iraqi's quickly forget how American lives were lost in the battle for their freedom. They don't realize how dedicated our men and women have been and still are.....even when some of the Iraqi's flee when the going gets tough.
10 posted on 04/13/2004 4:09:50 PM PDT by Arpege92 (America and Israel are two countries that were founded on the rejection of Europe. -Dr. M. Azaryahu)
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To: Jeeper
AMEN
11 posted on 04/13/2004 7:49:12 PM PDT by Hamza01
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To: Hamza01
U.S. take no prisoners.Your playing hardball this time.
12 posted on 04/13/2004 8:33:42 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: jocko12
What's your native language, Jocko? Just curious.

And who am I playing "HARDBALL" against, keyboard commando?

13 posted on 04/13/2004 10:44:19 PM PDT by Hamza01
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