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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; nonomous
Ok, both of you need to answer a couple of observations.

1) Did you know that Moslem women during the fifties, and sixties never covered their heads, and dressed in Western miniskirts. Explain how you go backward one thousand years within 30 years.

2) The practice of social engineering in the US was never implemented in the Moslem world by the West in the past 30 years, rather the fanatical Saudis/Iranians were allowed sole access to the Moslem population to turn them into radical chauvinist bunch.

I submit to you, as our nation's top political leaders are essentially ignorant of the subject, easily distracted by the politically correct crowds to respect other people faith, and rarely utilize the real experts recommendations. Hence we spent the past 30 years ignoring the obvious deterioration of the "Moslem Streets"! In the same time, we opened our gates widely and allowed these radical losers to immigrate in drove. That is a double whammy; letting this people boil in hate against us without making any effort, and allowing thousands or millions of these hateful people to make the West their home.

The difference between Pipes and me, and the rest of you is essentially many years of understanding the Moslems and their so called religion. Pipe, and me believe that with enough resources and determination the West can positively influence reformation of that religion, and help marginalize its radical fringes. Today unfortunately 99% of Moslems support those radical fringes for POLITICAL reasons.

38 posted on 04/14/2004 6:08:12 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
philosofy123,

>1) Did you know that Moslem women during the fifties,
>and sixties never covered their heads, and dressed
>in Western miniskirts. Explain how you go backward
>one thousand years within 30 years.

Two changes explain the rise in mullah power: Petro-dollars and communication technologies. First, the Saudi government funneled petro-dollars to fundamentalist mullahs. Next the fundamentalist mullahs got their own oil fields via the Iranian 'revolution'. Street media: cassette tapes and the internet allow the mullahs to go underneath 'state-controlled media' and mold the aspirations of the poorly educated.

>2) The practice of social engineering in the US
>was never implemented in the Moslem world by
>the West in the past 30 years, rather the
>fanatical Saudis/Iranians were allowed sole
>access to the Moslem population to turn them
>into radical chauvinist bunch.

And the point is?

>Pipes, and me believe that with enough resources
>and determination the West can positively influence
>reformation of that religion, and help marginalize
>its radical fringes.

Ok, where would the 'resources' would be spent? Where are the 'moderates' who can defend themselves from the assassins sent by petro-dollar mullahs?

>Today unfortunately 99% of Moslems support those
>radical fringes for POLITICAL reasons.

Major mistake. The distinction 'political' vs 'theological' isn't available to that 99%. One must get beyond a tribal world-view, first. And, a tribal world view may be that which is best suited for the internet-era.
39 posted on 04/14/2004 8:05:23 AM PDT by nonomous
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