[Ernie.cal]

Forgot to mention one more thing about your comment that "JBS and Joe McCarthy were generally correct in identifying the fact that the socialists/communists were present in positions of power and influence."

Since you claim to be interested in facts and and you claim to be rational and objective....consider this tidbit.

The FBI maintained a Security Index (SI). It was a very elaborate mechanism (with subcategories) to keep track of all persons the Bureau considered subversive and worrisome from a security standpoint.

As you might expect, the overwhelming majority of names listed were Communists and it included persons in positions of influence and power who were thought to be likely to assist Communists in a time of national emergency.

The Bureau's file on the SI contains numerous memos to explain to their field offices what criteria should be used to include a name, and, how and when, each office should submit summary memos concerning the status of their SI listings.

According to the Bureau's Security Index, the total number of people working in the Federal Government who were considered either outright Communists OR persons considered to be a security problem in the event of national emergency was as shown below, in the years specified.

This is the first time I have released this data in any forum.

Compare it to the HALLUCINATIONS of the JBS and please comment on it.

1958 (year JBS was founded)...........15 1959..................................19 1960..................................20 1961..................................24 1962..................................23 1963..................................25 1964..................................19 1965..................................28 1966..................................36

[headsonpikes]

I must thank you for one of the most illuminating threads I've ever read.

As a teenager in the early '60s, I was in contact with many 'anti-communist' organizations, the JBS being one of them. Your many posts capture almost exactly the atmosphere of Mr. Welch's perfervid writings.

OTOH, his references in the Blue Book lead me to read Spengler, and I'm appreciative of that!

To fanciers of international communist conspiracies, I would say this: All socialist regimes are national socialist regimes. Each of these regimes requires an enemy with both internal and external manifestations.

Orwell had it right in '1984', but apparently, he might as well have saved his breath.

The chief and over-arching threat to Americans and American political liberty is American Socialism, not Russian, or Cuban, or Chinese, or European socialism.

And American Socialism is in a triumphalist frame of mind. After all, who seriously questions Medicare, Social Security, and State schooling?

Socialism continues until it collapses - that's the historical path, I'm afraid.