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To: ThinkPlease
The way I read it, the Max Planck Institute hired Arp AFTER he was debunked (and denied observatory time) by losers such as yourself. Rescinding observatory privileges from a guy like Arp is of course a modern equivalent of book-burning; people don't do that sort of thing because they've got any sort of a superior case.
126 posted on 04/12/2004 12:55:39 PM PDT by greenwolf
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To: ThinkPlease
You know, when you think about it, having to leave Palomar and then getting picked up by the Planck institute is sort of like one of the classical fairytales (The Ugly Duckling). The ducks of course are always the losers in that kind of story.
127 posted on 04/12/2004 1:00:22 PM PDT by greenwolf
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To: greenwolf
The way I read it, the Max Planck Institute hired Arp AFTER he was debunked (and denied observatory time) by losers such as yourself. Rescinding observatory privileges from a guy like Arp is of course a modern equivalent of book-burning; people don't do that sort of thing because they've got any sort of a superior case.

What are you talking about? If Arp, Tifft et al are so shunned in the community, why the heck are they getting published in Astrophysical Journal, and why are they getting money from the IAU to have conferences in far away places? He must be getting grant money from someone if he can afford to publish! Page charges are not cheap!

Telescope time on 4 meter class telescopes has been tight for EVERYONE. I could talk to the faculty and grads where I work who do optical observing, and I bet if I asked them if they felt their pet project got the telescope time it deserved they would say NO! For Arp supporters to go and bitch because they aren't getting any time at all is specious to me because of the above reason and because the models don't model the existing evidence AT ALL! Why would your throw telescope time and grant money at a project that has already shown to not be valid!? So it can be shown to not be valid in a different way? Telescope Allocation Committees don't work that way, they review proposals via academic merit, not on the what the observer has done in the past. Science is definitely a "What have you done for me lately?" discipline.

So far all I have heard from you are insults and accusations, which is pretty typical for an Arp supporter who has no clue how science is done. Keep it up!

129 posted on 04/12/2004 1:16:19 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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