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Swatting at flies
townhall.com ^ | 4/10/04 | Debra Saunders

Posted on 04/10/2004 5:11:54 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Erik Latranyi
I like #17 better.

5.56mm

21 posted on 04/10/2004 6:44:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: bert
Excellent point but I can see at least one poster on this thread that has apparently missed this obvious fact.

22 posted on 04/10/2004 6:46:24 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: redrock
The Commission IS looking for someone to blame.

While I agree that the commission is looking to blame the Bush Administration, I am hoping that in the final report, the entire commission is going to have to admit that there was no specific intelligence that was missed.

Instead, the pieces of information were scattered and could not be conencted due to the restrictions placed on our intelligence services.

23 posted on 04/10/2004 6:57:07 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: inquest
The point is: We didn't know where, when or how.
24 posted on 04/10/2004 7:07:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: kattracks; All
does anyone know what page "Bush at War" that "swatting at flies" is on?...rto
25 posted on 04/10/2004 7:18:57 AM PDT by visitor (dems are committing hairy kerry to defend our national security with a shifty politician like JFK)
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To: kattracks
Their main goal is political.

Of course it's political. Nothing ever happens unless someone has a political interest in doing it. It still needs to be done, regardless.

26 posted on 04/10/2004 7:21:30 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: Sacajaweau
We didn't know where, when or how.

Who's "we"? We the people of course didn't know. But I'm not going to assume that the administration had no way of knowing just because they said they had no way of knowing.

27 posted on 04/10/2004 7:23:16 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: inquest
It still needs to be done, regardless.

What needs to be done, a witch hunt? Because that's what this is. If the Dims were really interested in what went wrong and why, they would delve just as deeply, and ask just as many questions, of the clinton admin. who had eight years more time at this the the Bush admin. did. The Dims on this commission took this opportunity to make a difference and threw it away in favor pf partisan politics.

I believe a number of things that had to be done, have been done, by the Bush admin.

And they're still working at making it better.

28 posted on 04/10/2004 7:35:22 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: inquest
I agree with you about our partisan system.

The "friendly" opposition has been a great check and balance has has stopped extremism from taking hold of our government.

That being said, the point of this article (and the crux of the whole debate, IMO) is:

Even if there very credible intelligence that a domestic attack from the sky was being planned, what preemptive steps would our people and our "friendly" opposition would have found acceptable?
Even now, after the events of 9-11, Zogby and CAIR are howling...the ACLU is howling...heck...some folks on Free Republic are howling on the intrusions on privacy that the administration deems necessary.

No ...Ms. Saunders is right.
Our very system would not have allowed the prevention of 9-11.

29 posted on 04/10/2004 8:01:02 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: kattracks
What needs to be done, a witch hunt?

Messy as it is, yes, provided there are any witches to be hunted. We'll find out as the thing progresses.

Right now, I'm not all that concerned about it not being sufficiently "balanced" towards both parties. Nothing will ever get done if we're constantly hung up of matters of abstract fairness. Life isn't always fair, especially in politics.

30 posted on 04/10/2004 8:06:34 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: eddie willers
Even now, after the events of 9-11, Zogby and CAIR are howling...the ACLU is howling...heck...some folks on Free Republic are howling on the intrusions on privacy that the administration deems necessary.

And few people are criticizing the administration now for not having sufficiently invaded anyone's privacy before 9/11. The criticisms are mostly about staying on top of information that was already available to their intelligence services. If they had, it's possible that they might not need to be invading people's privacy now.

31 posted on 04/10/2004 8:12:10 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: Erik Latranyi
nominated for post of the day!

"If Bush acted in a preemptive manner and actually stopped 9/11 from happening, the Dems would never admit that such a plot was actually under way. Instead, they would focus on Bush the anti-Muslim war-monger."
32 posted on 04/10/2004 8:13:05 AM PDT by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: inquest
Life isn't always fair, especially in politics.

But this wasn't supposed to be about politics. Remember how we were constantly told that?

But I'm happy to see that you finally realize this is all about politics.

33 posted on 04/10/2004 8:59:38 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: eddie willers; inquest
inquest, since you apparently reside in a parallel universe politically, I suggest you read these threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1114919/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1114649/posts

eddie, you are absolutely correct. Our very system would not have allowed the prevention of 9/11.
34 posted on 04/10/2004 9:57:17 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: kattracks
Flies? All this time I thought it was mosque-itos...
35 posted on 04/10/2004 10:02:45 AM PDT by null and void (<----just the right blend of brains, nuts and sugar.)
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To: kattracks
But this wasn't supposed to be about politics.

Of course. Politicians always say that no matter what the issue is.

But I'm happy to see that you finally realize this is all about politics.

It's certainly driven by politics. But that doesn't mean no good will come of it. All I care about right at the moment is seeing the administration forced to come clean on what happened. I don't particularly care who's doing the forcing, or why.

36 posted on 04/10/2004 10:03:04 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: arasina
Neither of those two defensive apologias excuse the administration for not being on top of information, if in fact that's what the administration's guilty of (which is what the commission's trying to determine).
37 posted on 04/10/2004 11:59:22 AM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: inquest
All I care about right at the moment is seeing the administration forced to come clean on what happened. I don't particularly care who's doing the forcing, or why.

Forced to come clean? That sounds as if you've already made up your mind that they have something to come clean about. They have provided testimony under oath. They will produce the memo in question. There has been no smoking gun found, except in the minds of the media and the Dims. What is happening now is not a search for the truth, but a partisan attempt to place the blame for 9/11 with the Bush administration. And you seem to agree with the tactics being used.

It's quite apparent where your sympathies lie, and it has nothing to do with the truth.

38 posted on 04/10/2004 12:30:56 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: inquest
"...if in fact that's what the administration's guilty of (which is what the commission's trying to determine).

The Commission on Terrorism's job is not to find guilt. They are supposed to be using the information they gather, the hindsight-is-20/20-oh-I-see-now-how-the-dots-connect data, to prevent another attack by terrorists on U.S. soil.

I was right across the bridge in Brooklyn on 9/11/01 and lost a good friend. He was on the 110th floor right under the broadcast antenna that was made into a flagpole. I saw the smoke and watched the buildings tumble. I had an appointment in Manhattan the morning of 9/11 that would've taken me in the subway under the WTC but providence possibly saved my life when that appointment got cancelled. I grieved for a long time afterward. In fact, I will probably never "get over" it because it changed my life forever.

President Bush took action that others feared in this stupid politically correct society that grew long and tangled roots during the eight years of the Clinton administration. You are ignoring a lot of information (such as the lack of sharing intel by various agencies) and while you say you "don't care who's doing the forcing, or why" the attitude that comes across in your words is one of presupposition of wrongdoing, especially by the Bush administration.

39 posted on 04/10/2004 12:36:16 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: kattracks
That sounds as if you've already made up your mind that they have something to come clean about.

It doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty of anything. It only means they need to tell us everything about what they knew up to that point, without hemming and hawing, without evading questions, without trying to stall. If in fact they are being fully cooperative, then fine. But I'm simply not going to be impressed by protestations that Clinton did the same thing, or that the Democrats are being too partisan, or whatever other irrelevancies.

40 posted on 04/10/2004 1:32:38 PM PDT by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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